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[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 95 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I worked in a school with a pretty good amount of students whose families had probably not entered the country legally.

I had a student who would be out at the end of the day. Like, yeah, lots of kids are zonked out by the last hour, and the fake sleep to watch silent TikToks was ever popular.

But this girl was out. The bell would ring and I’d try to wake her up. Like starting with a “hey the bell just rang, time to go home.” Gently nudging her to get no response. This was routine.

She worked a full time job at night. She didn’t get to sleep. She worked at night, she went to high school during the day.

There have been times that I’ve had to work three jobs to survive as an adult, and I’ve worked my share of fifteen+ hour shifts with no OT because who needs labor laws?

But that girl had to work harder to survive than any billionaire I’ve met could even conceive of (and I fucked a billionaire for quite a while). She was a child. She should have been tired because she had stayed up all night playing video games or talking to her friends - she should not have been tired because she had to have a full time job to survive as a teenager in high school.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 62 points 4 days ago

and I fucked a billionaire for quite a while

Soooooooo

Are we just glossing over this or.....

Lmao

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I married and was economically devastated by a billionaire. Turns out, if you can afford good lawyers, you can keep the house and ditch your spouse with a hopeless amount of CC debt. Long story.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Oh. Well I was totally thinking that was going to go in a "I was a secret billionaire's mistress" sort-a-way. Not, "I have a legit supervillain backstory because of a billionaire" kinda way, sorry lol

[-] SnotFlickerman 40 points 4 days ago

Superhero backstory. The billionaire is already the supervillain in this story.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

The ups of my life are things like dinner for three at the top of Harrod’s that cost more than my current apartments rent (and steak. oh god actual fancy steak house steak. foie gras on a rare filet), the downs are analingus for grocery money (pan fried chicken hearts in butter with rice got me through college).

[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 50 points 4 days ago
[-] GroupNebula563@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

six billionaires saw this post, apparently

[-] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

That, or six (seven now) people who really enjoy the taste of boot

[-] GroupNebula563@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Perhaps both.

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[-] ansiz@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

It's sad that even the idea of a very high tax rate for even the top 0.1% is off the table. I really like the suggestion of capping net worth at $999 million and the government gets the rest.

[-] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 1 points 3 days ago

There’s talk of our country reducing disability payments. It’s fucked.

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 5 points 4 days ago

How does that work when for example a single company is worth two billion? Does the government now own >50% of it?

[-] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 11 points 4 days ago

Easiest implementation would be shares start getting shared to all other employees. No more big owner when profits come from the laborers.

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago

Could you imagine the talent pool the most profitable companies would have if all net profits over X billion dollars were automatically redistributed to it's labor force? Suddenly the wealthiest middle class on earth would be in the US until then somehow clawed that money back.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

That's how it should be. When you actually think about how a few rich people who don't actually do the work get to "own" the entire company it's absurd.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Genuine question: How would this apply to private companies like Valve? Do they still follow principles of share distribution even if they’re not on the public stock market?

[-] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 1 points 3 days ago

Sure, why wouldn't they? You can't really convince me that 'taking away' ownership from the founder is a big deal... by the time a company's net worth is high enough to give him a billion dollars worth of stock, that company has far more than just him alone making the company worth that much. You also can't really say that the janitor is less of a deal than any other random employee and thus deserves no stock... It takes everyone to make things work.

As to the actual 'value' of the company, and therefore the owner's worth? Ask him how much he wants for his shares, and he is forced to sell at that amount for say, the next 6 months if people want the stock. This prevents him from giving a ridiculously low value and gaming the system so he doesn't have the net worth he truly does, because it would trigger a rush of people buying the stock for such a good deal, and it also prevents him from giving a ridiculously high number to manipulate people into buying stock, as it would push the net worth too high.

Would that idea work for every company? I know there would be issues with implementation. Is it the owner that gets asked the stock price? The board? A shareholder meeting? The employees of the company? Each would have its downsides, and manipulation possibilities.

I don't know, mate, these are just things off the top of my head. I'm sure with some serious thought from people much more in tune with these concepts than I am, we'd have a good framework to go off of.

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[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I completely agree. It is likely a constitutional amendment will be needed to institute a wealth tax/ceiling. But it is needed, for national security. The centre cannot hold.

[-] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago

Being a billionaire is moral failing

Moral and social. I think in a sense these people are addicted to wealth, and we've failed them by not only allowing them to have so much of it, but by acting like it makes them better. Just like an addiction we shouldn't expect them to get over it on their own.

[-] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

For sure. I aged with you. It’s a mental illness and it needs to be taken seriously.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 days ago

We need to wipe them from existence.

Let every nation have a maximum wealth cap. 1000x the median national household income. Anything else is taxed at 100%. This cap in the US would be about $80 million today.

But if you're somehow in flagrant violation of this limit? If your wealth is the equivalent of over one billion 2025 dollars? Unless you quickly earn a multi-billion fortune and immediate give it away or spend it, having a net worth over $1 billion will be a felony. It will be a capital offense. Oh you're secretly billionaire, having hid your vast illegal fortune from the IRS? You are guilty of trying to amass a geopolitically-significant level of wealth. We're going to treat this as seriously as we would someone who attempts to build their own personal nuclear weapons. Really, you are guilty of a form of treason. Except instead of aiding a foreign nation, you were trying to become a threat to your nation yourself. And the traditional penalty for treason will be applied.

This is the world we could have. We could, if we wanted it badly enough, simply make being a billionaire a capital offense. Force them to give away or spend most everything they have. Either way, given or spent, wealth is distributed enough so that no individual can threaten the nation through their own personal wealth.

It is time we wiped billionaires off the face of the Earth. No individual should ever be allowed to become so wealthy that they become a threat to nation states.

[-] Draupnir@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

This really shows how little you actually understand about money. Let’s say this hypothetical played out. Where do you realistically think these taxes will end up? What do you think an economically monopolistic and highly supercharged government will get you? What will happen to the quality and ubiquity of goods and services available to you?

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Not op, and any Marxist feel free to step in, but 100% tax is technically communism. And I mean full final stage communism where money no longer exists. If income is taxed at 100%, then money no longer needs to exist since.. well you never really see it. The tax is spent on everything. You work if you can and everything that can be, is provided for you. Purely from an economic point of view. This is though an ideal and something that would need to be worked towards over long periods of time.

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[-] null@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 days ago

Which is why the capitalist argument is never that they physically performed enough labour to earn that amount. The argument is that they took risks that paid off in that amount.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

They shouldn't exist and people should stop glorifying them. This goes for the ceo of valve too.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

This goes for the ceo of valve too.

They gloat about overworking employees so they can remain short staffed

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 11 points 4 days ago

I will post this every time.

Billionaires have an unhealthy concentration of power, but they don't have a billion on their bank account. They own companies that are worth that much. They also aren't necessarily assholes.

Germany has many medium sized companies. They mostly treat their employees really well. Good pay, guaranteed jobs for their kids, etc. Many for sure are worth over a billion. And they are privately owned, so the owners are billionaires or close to it. So what is supposed to happen to those companies ownerships? Would it really be better if they are publicly owned?

I've come around to think that a wealth tax is necessary, but it's for sure complicated.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

but they don’t have a billion on their bank account.

You may think having cash in your pockets is better because you are poor but having billions in companies and assets or owning the bank is better.

Germany has many medium sized companies. They mostly treat their employees really well.

Treating slaves slightly better does not make them free men.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't see how taxation changes the balance of power. Their power is not, as you said, the size of their bank account, but in their ownership of the company's assets. They also don't create the company's value with their work. The employees do.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago

They certainly do more ketamine though.

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