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Never thought I would agree with Nth Korea but they are right.
They have just as much a right to launch satellites as every other nation does.
They also have every right to pursue nuclear technology. Same goes for Iran and etc. Who the fuck are we to tell them what they can or can't do as a nation of human beings?
And they do. But the US uses its political and economic influence to make it difficult to get anything to be able to explore nuclear tech for countries that aren't totally stable. We can and should exercise that power when they threaten us, despite them being mostly empty threats.
Now guess who destabilized Iran in the first place... The US of course.
The whole 2 Koreas situation is directly caused by the US as well
Not really, it was agreed to as a treaty after WW2 (so US, China and USSR were all responsible) then the China-supported north invaded the US-supported south and it led to a stalemate
If anything the current unstable situation was caused by China, but there's no way the US were the direct cause
Who instated the genocidal anti-communust dictator Syngman Rhee in South Korea? Who supported and armed him? Who has maintained a military presence in the south constantly threatening the north?
Don't get me wrong, N. Korea has since become a brutal dictatorship as well, but in the 50s the south was even worse. The north didn't just invade for fun - they were constantly provoked and threatened by the south.
Re. your first point, 100% the USA.
However, that's one hell of a goalpost shift from "directly caused" to supported half... Also the North were provoked and threatened by the South as much as the South were by the North... The North invading was largely because they thought they could take the South though, not because they were scared by the South into doing it.
This is tankie garbage. Syngman Rhee was certainly horrible. But he was not instated. He was voted in. He had a very long history of being in Korean politics. He was certainly given a boost by the Americans. But he was also given a boost by Kim refusing to participate in the elections.
And let us not pretend that the soviets and Chinese involved were just liberators. They had their own political games they were playing and boosted Kim just as much. The elections in the north were completely controlled by the soviets. And you gripe about the presence of American troops, but support the Chinese troops in the north.
The north didn't invade for fun. The north invaded because Kim thought he could have even more power and that the US would not intervene. He was wrong. He would have been completely removed had it not been for the Chinese.
Both sides had imperialistic outside support from corrupt governments. Both sides used totalitarianism to maintain control. One side is currently the most inhumane country on the planet and the other has a modern standard of living. To say the south was worse in a very short time period is ridiculous. In reality, due to the harsh restrictions and cult of personality in the north we do not even really know how bad the north was. The standard of living may have been better, but concerning totalitarian governments it is impossible to say.
I actually agree with you about NK being a brutal dectatorship. I'm not a tankie or a dictator apologist. Far from it. You're misreading my comment through a biased lens, making personal assumptions about me.
I just wanted to point out that the US had a primary role in creating and worsening the divsion of korea for decades. Even if the USSR and China and their form of imperialism was also to blame. That's just a historical fact that is purposefuly obscured by propaganda and it's important to remember.
I would agree.
Also a certain US general has larger war ambitions that created a clusterfuck. They had easily repelled the offensive and pushed the north basicallly to the Yalu river. But then the general straight defied orders and started a full scale invasion and wanted to push further, into china.
That attarmpt triggered china to actually respond and push everything back got the 38th.
Had MacArthur not been such an ego driven maniac Korea may look quite different today.
Except no.
A country's right to nuclear weapons is equivalent to their ability to make other countries fuck off. No more, no less.
They're not wrong
Not like it'll do them any good. In fact it might make more people defect after seeing they were lied to about the rest of the world.
it might make more want to defect (though any information gained by the state will not be widely diseminated unless it supports their narrative), but it has become far, far more difficult to defect successfully over the past decade or so. i watched a pretty interesting video about it a week or so ago, if you're interested, but basically, the northern border with china is a lot more fortified and policed, china will deport any caught defectors back to NK and has a huge surveillance state appparatus, and the coyotes charge a hell of a lot more to help folks escape than most north koreans can afford. and then covid happened, and now it's even more locked down than ever.
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So do other sovereign countryes reserve the right to shoot it down?
No, that violates international law.
Never thought I'd agree with good ol Kim, but it turns out we DO have shared beliefs.
Interesting article, but leaves some important questions open. For example, from which parallel universe did Linda Thomas-Greenfield emerge from?
“return to an era when we used our collective voice to curb nuclear proliferation... We must unequivocally denounce the DPRK’s unlawful behavior… and must call on the DPRK to fully and faithfully implement all relevant Security Council resolutions... we must address the DPRK’s global revenue-generating activities, which fund its unlawful weapons program.”
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So do other sovereign countryes reserve the right to shoot it down?
They can try to spy on other countries.
Other countries can try to stop them.
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