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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Zenlix@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world

Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

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[-] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 98 points 3 months ago

At a time when they could actually be pushing the Manifest issue and try to finally get a foothold, instead it feels like they have scattered rakes around the yard in the middle of the night and decided to go for a jog.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 3 months ago

it's not like anyone who cares hasn't pulled up stakes tbh

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago
[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago

Thanks to that overpaid ceo.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago

Besides the privacy issue, the TOU is ridiculous. They supply a tool (the browser) and you use it. It's not a collaboration between you and them. You can use it whatever way you want.

[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 months ago

Get ready for ads as well

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625

They removed this:


            {

                "@type": "Question",

                "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",

                "acceptedAnswer": {

                    "@type": "Answer",

                    "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

                }

            },

[-] Zenlix@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

I hate that they had "never will" in there. Seems like a broken promise.

[-] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

They broke a promise and they broke my heart 💔💔💔

[-] cupcakezealot 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i still like mozilla (and I donate to them monthly because i believe in the mission of an open internet) and, unlike most people, i don't think this is a very big deal.

however, i don't want to put all my eggs in one basket so... are there any other ethical pro open internet evangelist groups i should start to follow or contribute to? preferably an ethical foundation that isn't cryptofash or bigoted. i know there's the eff but they're not really focused on an open and free internet, they're more privacy (nothing against them; i love them).

bonus if they're not hq'd in the us.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

You might not be using functions that require data to work. Are you using the AI options? Image to text? Translation? Saving passwords? Using search suggestions? Then you don't need to send any data.

Like it or not, most browsers do most of those things now. FireFox is no exception.

This seems like a lot of smoke and no fire to me.

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

Even writing a post, you're entering data through Firefox into the post box. We just don't consider that data. It would be pretty quiet around here if you couldn't do that...

[-] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well shoot if Firefox goes I guess we’re back to carrier pigeons and smoke signals.

[-] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago
[-] tux0r@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

Or just make NetSurf good enough?

[-] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

NetSurf updates are very slow

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

NetSurf needs more developers, which is one of the reasons for the development pace, and I'm happy for every occasion to help them get more, so here's today's one.

(Mature software needs fewer updates than fresh software too, but that's probably not the most critical aspect here.)

[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I have really high hopes that Ladybird picks up the slack

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago

Or make NetSurf good enough? It's mature (and lacking developers), Ladybird is not.

[-] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago

WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

If data can be abused it will be abused.

[-] boreengreen@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

You use your own software and read bug reports.

[-] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

That only gives you a biased and incomplete insight.

[-] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me... Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.

This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

This isn’t really even bad communication. This is idiots with a platform screaming FUD for attention.

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Used FF forever

So you probably should remember the Mozilla FAQ entry that it's "Firefox", not "FireFox"; and that's why they prefer "fx" because "FF" makes no sense. ;-p

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago

Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

[-] Parsizzle@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The Mullvad browser is based on the gecko engine while Brave is based on chromium.

I dont trust Brave much because the ceo Brendan Eich is into right-wing politics and bitcoin.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 3 points 3 months ago

An alternative browser (not based on the Chromium) should be driven by the community (vide Proton).

[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago
[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Alternatively...

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago

Oh no, does this mean that Mozilla doesn't give a damn about the privacy of their last twelve users? I.e. those who did not see that coming a decade ago?

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

There is the part where you interact with Forefox. Without your data, it just won't work. They need your timezone, your screen size,... I mean, that's for every browser around, even the most hardened system. This data can be used for fingerprinting so you should be aware and you should agree upon that usage or quit the internet.

i.e. using a browser is sending data towards that browser.

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