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Donald Trump has announced plans to impose 25% tariffs on the European Union, claiming the bloc was “formed to screw the United States.”

While details are pending, he suggested the levies would target cars and other imports. The EU, a major U.S. trading partner, has vowed immediate retaliation, with potential tariffs impacting $29.3 billion in exports.

French President Emmanuel Macron had attempted to dissuade Trump, urging focus on China instead.

Critics, including economists and conservative media, warn the tariffs could harm the U.S. economy.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The EU has an official mechanism to combat economic pressure like this that includes suspension of all intellectual property from the country imposing the tarrifs.

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

Yes, because the initial tarriff talks went over so well...

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

It did for Mexico and Canada.

They agreed to nothing new, and the terrifs vanished.

It must be like trying to negotiate with a toddler.

[-] laserm@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

The piece of shit saying that was formed to screw the US

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago

I remember John Kerry's election in 2004 was thwarted due in part to the perception that he was flip-flopping around a lot of issues. Trump is constantly making an absolute fool of himself by constantly backing away from shit he said he was going to do.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Ofc the EU was created to screw the USA. Good for them. Nobody wants to be subservient to the paper petrol-dollars of a genocidal empire that's literally destroying the planet for a few ultra privileged man babies.

[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Based on an overwhelming amount of economic studies of tariffs in the last 100 years, the EU should ignore it. Why enact tariffs on American goods and make life more expensive for Europeans? Studies show EU businesses will raise prices accordingly. The citizens will be worse off.

However, based on our knowledge of how politicians act, they'll take the bait and retaliate, thus making things more expensive for EU citizens.

[-] engene@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago

This is what I've been thinking about for Canada's reaction - do nothing! I can't say how it will affect us now and in the immediate future but it seems the damage is already done anyway. BTW. this is my 1st post on Lemmy - thank you!

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Maybe not "do nothing" but I like the remove certain products from shelves. Like stop the sale of American alcohol from shelves.

[-] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 hours ago

I don't get it. If we do retaliate, the US will have something to gain (back) by removing the tariffs.

I don't know what studies you are referring to (please leave a link) but it seems counterintuitive to not have that bargaining chip to force a quick end to the tarriffs (See US vs Canada 2025, US vs Mexico 2025).

I don't see how one could reasonably measure policies like these through time; of course it's worse in the short term for all involved parties but should resolve the situation faster. If they only measure the time during active tarriffs of course it's better through survivorship bias.

[-] JLock17@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

"This again? See you next month, Don."

He's like clockwork, but he's more of a fake Rolex.

[-] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Pathological liar.

[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Slap 100% tariffs on the bloc of united states, as a courtesy.

[-] lysol@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Capitalism-lover hates competition. Interesting.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 hours ago

Capitalism strives to make money. Competition means profit margins shrink. So yes capitalists are against competition.

That is one of the many reasons listening to companies is not good economic planning for countries.

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 17 points 13 hours ago

yeah american tourists are going to have a hard time in the next 50 years.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 16 points 12 hours ago

Studies show the majority of Americans don't have a passport let alone have left their own state. 3rd world country.

[-] JLock17@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

That's unfortunately what happens when people get gaslit into thinking being a debt slave is morally righteous.

[-] TinkeringTitan@programming.dev 8 points 16 hours ago

Classic aim high and make the second offer seem like a win tactic?

[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago

Putin's puppet

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Fucking do it then, cunt!

[-] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 26 points 1 day ago

Wtf kinda drug are the elite in the US on?

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Special K if Elon is any indication

[-] tenacioustardigrade@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Money and power the name of that drog

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP2EKTCngiM Being rich is a mental disease. You don't think straight when you are rich. The best solution is to not let people bi rich, ever.

[-] SGG@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

Capitalism.

Side effects include electing a complete moron and his piss baby groupies to the presidency

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[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 13 points 23 hours ago

Ketamine, or so I heard.

[-] Darkhoof@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Russian psy-ops boosted by algos from coked up tech bros.

[-] turnip@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago

Can someone explain to me why this is worse than Europes VAT tax?

According to an International Monetary Fund (IMF) study, any nation that switches to VAT initially feels the negative impact of reduced tax revenues. In the long run, however, the study concluded that VAT adoption has in the majority of cases increased government revenue and proved effective.

It seems to be proven quite effective, and Europe still has them, so why is Trumps worse/better than a VAT?

[-] sushibowl@feddit.nl 14 points 12 hours ago

VAT is a universal tax on goods. A tariff is basically a tax that applies only to imported goods. So a tariff distorts the market, making imports from a region more expensive relative to other regions, or domestic goods.

Note that basically any tax is bad from an economic perspective. However for the government to function revenues must be raised. It is considered better for market efficiency to raise revenues in such a way as to least distort the market. Tariffs are a very distorting instrument, VAT is generally considered less distorting because it affects all parts of the market equally.

[-] adavis@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

To add another example to your great post.

And when there are exceptions, they are based on the type of good. Eg in Australia GST isn't charged on fresh fruit and vegetables in a grocery store. It doesn't matter whether an orange was grown in Australia or internationally it will be tax free.

Whereas with a tariff, a orange grown locally will be tax exempt whereas the imported one (from a tariff applied country) will.

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 points 14 hours ago

We pay tax. For imported goods. That isn't tariffs

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[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The bat needs to bounce back and also hit the fascist ball in the face. Making things worse for everybody for no reason!

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[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

Would love to be in the guy's head for just 5 minutes, to see if he's high or crazy or what.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 22 hours ago

Multiple different personality disorders combined with just being an asshole, I'm thinking.

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[-] fieryhamster007@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

The EU was setup to help protect Europe and enable them to have better control over overly enthusiastic capitalist companies such as those found in the US.

But what do we expect from a low intelligence puppet of Russia?

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm in the EU and I very much I hope he does, beause the response will be spectacular: apparently there is an Act from 2023 that the EU can respond to this by suspending intellectual property rights of US companies, plus from last time Trump was President the EU learned to target counter-Tariffs for maximum political effect (basically hitting Republican states hardest) and that will also work fine in targetting US companies politically affiliated with Trump (bye, bye, Tesla!).

Also it will definitelly finish off any lingering delusions of European politicians that the US is an "ally".

[-] BrowseMan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Yeah howerver for that you'd need Brussels to find its balls and actually start acting like it had a spine.

And of course, find a consensus among all the contradictory interest of the different EU states (including a good chunk aligned on trump's illiberal approach if not Russian controlled).

Man I REALLY hope you're right, but I don't have my hopes up. On another hand if it's not now, it'll never happen.

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