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Summary

Tesla’s European sales plunged 45% in January, while the EV market grew 37%, with rivals like Volkswagen and Renault gaining ground.

Production changes for the Model Y is claimed to contribute to lower sales, but Elon Musk’s political controversies also sparked backlash.

Musk’s support for far-right parties and attacks on European leaders have made him unpopular, as polls show negative perceptions in Germany and the UK.

Tesla’s struggles come as European automakers face stricter emissions targets, increasing competition in the region’s growing EV market.

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[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

You are welcome yanks. Now feel free to do your part. I am joking, I would expect even Chinese Tesla customers to move first.

[-] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

11.6% vs 45% when Americans are directly attacked by the guy and the matter is time-sensitive. If you want I can tell instead suggest American Tesla customers to endure and/or take it easy.

[-] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

You're right. I'm just mad at my country for doing fuck all. Sorry.

[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago

When are the shareholders going to sue the fuck out of him for devaluing the stock they bought?

[-] figjam@midwest.social 16 points 1 day ago

Never. They are "true believers"

[-] Fluke@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Their loss.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago

why would Europeans have a problem with a guy doing a nazi salute? we may never know

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago
[-] derpgon@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

A Nazi salute is a gesture tho

[-] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 127 points 2 days ago

Good. Fuck Musk! Dirty asshole.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago

Unwiped asshole

[-] b3an@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Please; show some respect to assholes. What we have here is a clearly unelected unrepresentative uniformly unqualified nazi turd; or, a cuuuunt if you will. 😝

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[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I wouldn’t buy house paint for Hennrich Himler and I wouldn’t buy baby clothes from chairman Mao… definitely not buying stuff from Musk.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Musk didnt learn a single thing from mismanaging twitter right into the ground. Tesla is up next. The US government after that.

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Why would he learn from it, as far as I can tell it was intentional mismanagement.

[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

He didn't mismanage Twitter. He realized that he could spend 44B and gain control of the ruling political party of the US. He said "Twitter's value isn't in it's advertising, but in the public manipulation I can do with it!"

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

What you described is mismanagement. Just because he benefits from it doesn't make it good management.

[-] Erdalion@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I don't know about Twitter, it gave him and his cronies a platform, and won him an election. It's mismanaged for sure, but it got the job done.

Tesla is probably more of a blow, this doesn't help him in any way.

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[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago

Where does Musk's money actually come from? How big part of it comes from Tesla? How much from SpaceX and how much from Starlink? What else do Musk's companies do?

I'm just wondering: How long will he still be the richest person on Earth? And once he's not, what will Trump think of him?

[-] CouncilOfFriends@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Government contracts to his companies amount to more than $8 million per day currently, expect that number to grow now that Musk can decide which government functions he should privatize for his own gain. Verizon's $2 billion dollar contract with the FAA is likely to be cancelled so Starlink can get their cut.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

iirc most of his wealth is on paper, in the form of stock for his companies. He's relatively cash poor

As usual with billionaires (and actually most people with a significant wealth)

And they live off of loans collateralized by stock. Musk has easy access to as much cash as he could possibly want, whenever he wants it. He's definitely not "cash poor".

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[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From insider trading and also griefing crypto bro.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.org 60 points 2 days ago

Remember when Musk called Bill Gates "categorically insane" for shorting Tesla? I think I can guess who will be laughing in the end.

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago

Both of them, they're both fucking centi-billionaires, they couldn't give a fuck.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago

I've been saying this for years, Tesla will not remain #1 on electric cars once they become mainstream.
Tesla has declining sales in ALL major markets, and they have only half the profitability of the average for the industry!!
Tesla is not a competitive brand anymore, and unless something is done, Tesla will be gone in 10-20 years.

This is not just because of Musk, it's also because the alternatives are getting better than Tesla now. Musk is absolutely accelerating the decline of Tesla, both by making stupid decisions for Tesla, and by being an unpopular figure.
But Tesla is not developing at the same cadence as other makers, 5 years to make an updated model Y is a very slow development cadence, the average is about 3 years, and currently in China for EV it's allegedly half that!!
For a new type of car, where developments are constant on better technologies like batteries, 5 years is horrendously slow, and cutting prices hard kind of makes it worse, devaluing the entire fleet of existing cars.
Something Musk also promised wouldn't happen, as he claims a Tesla holds value better than any other brand, which is now obviously false.

[-] painfulasterisk1@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

Most likely the profitability will come from DOGE funneling.

[-] NightOwl@lemmy.one 3 points 1 day ago

I moved out of Tesla to BYD stocks couple months ago just based on the output and price of their cars and feeling that tariffs aren't going to keep them out forever. Looking good so far.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

Not uh bro, just give them another 5 years and their build quality will improve.......

It's almost like manufacturing vehicles takes skilled labor or something. I'll be happy when their valuation finally reflects something approaching realistic numbers. Just comparing simple metrics like employee retention should have been enough to tip off investors that Tesla was massively overvalued.

I mean there's a reason the other major manufacturers haven't killed off unions completely. You can't just keep replacing your entire workforce every couple years and expect any kind of quality control.

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[-] frunch@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

Europe better be careful, they're about to be sued if they keep up this kind of behavior

[-] kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

How exactly? Raising tariffs to 50%?

[-] ooterness@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

Who are the remaining 55% still buying swasticars?

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Those are preliminary numbers. They'll do everything they can to hide the real numbers too. I wouldn't be surprised if the real sales numbers are already down 80 percent.

[-] PostingInPublic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Yeah right, only? I mean it's not a good decision politically, but also no longer economically sound, you might want to sell it down the road, to whom, and for what price?

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[-] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 13 points 1 day ago

Who wants to drive cars of this freek?

Thanks for pushing electric cars, but we don't need you anymore now!

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

yay I needed this today

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 13 points 2 days ago
[-] Ziggurat@fedia.io 11 points 2 days ago

I still don't get how is Telsa 20 times bigger than Toyota.

It's great thanks to Musk, Telsa could become a viable auto maker which in the current industrial context is already amazing, especially with production in place with expensive labour (Which is a great thing too)

However, it's not like other auto manufacturer would disappear from the market and it seems easier to add an electric system over an existing basis than to build a new car from scratch, let alone Chinese trying to enter the global market (and BYD is growing quickly in Europe) and Indian which will do the same at the point.

So not really a surprise that Tesla sales start to drop, especially when adding that nazi did good car isn't a reason to support nazi

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Tesla is currently four times as big as Toyota by market capitalization.

...But that number is total BS, just gambler's hype, it doesn't actually represent how "big" a company is. Like, I'm more "pro investment" than most of Lemmy and subscribe to the Buffet ideology that stocks aren't a total gamble, but Tesla's stock price has been untethered from reality for years. The idea that they would somehow take over the entire auto market (as the price suggests) makes zero sense.

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[-] quenemm@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

That's really unfortunate

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