We are actually that stupid.
Mostly the right-wing leaning Americans, who don't like anything that costs them money even if it contributes towards a better society. They say they hate Socialism in all its forms, but had absolutely no problem accepting stimulus handouts. They are the pure leeches of our country.
Left-wing leaning Americans tend to believe science even if it comes as a slight inconvenience to themselves, that includes things that sometimes cost them money.
This is an oversimplification. I have met plenty of people who are progressive or Democrat that believe some pretty wild things about vaccines and western medicine in general. Don't underestimate hippies.
Having lived next to them for my whole life; For Americans if it sounds too stupid to be true it’s probably true
Even if it does(it doesn't), I would rather have autism than measles or pertussis, etc.
Back in the 90s a British doctor called Andrew Wakefield was bribed by a pharmaceutical company that made separate vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella to come up with a study to discredit the combined mmr vaccine. He found a bunch of parents in an antivax society and twisted the results of a very weighted questionnaire to demonstrate a link between MMR and the 'tism. It was quickly discredited, but the damage was done. He was stripped of his medical licence after that.
There's a number of points this comment misses. First, it wasn't pharmaceutical companies, but moms group of autistic children that approached him.
[I]n 1995, while conducting research into Crohn's disease, he was approached by Rosemary Kessick, the parent of a child with autism, who was seeking help with her son's bowel problems and autism; Kessick ran a group called Allergy Induced Autism. In 1996, Wakefield turned his attention to researching possible connections between the MMR vaccine and autism.
And the time, he was still a well regarded scientist and doctor:
At the time of his MMR research study, Wakefield was senior lecturer and honorary consultant in experimental gastroenterology at the Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine
This was also published in 1998 in The Lancet an important medical journal, but the controversy didn't start with this publication, but his press conference after the publication where he did advocate for single vaccines and not a combined MMR. Pretty poor form and highly criticized at the time.
The media took this and ran with it. It caused wide spread misinformation about autism and the MMR vaccine. But it was also a media outlet that began to tear apart the claims in 2004.
It wasn't retracted until 2010 and a full write up about what went wrong in the BMJ in 2011. There was a lot of criticism before then, but I was also highly cited as well.
There's a lot of lessons to be learned here and that is best done with the full story.
Don't forget Oprah Winfrey giving Melissa McCarthy a mouthpiece in front of every suburban mom in the US. We have her to thank for both that and "Dr" Phil.
If I recall correctly that was Jenny McCarthy, but correct otherwise (not looking to see Melissa McCarthy take the flak for that!). The amount of ugly pseudoscience and bullshit that has emerged through Oprah's platform is horrifying.
It makes me sad that the piece of shit Andrew Wakefield is still alive while so many better people than him have died for his bullshit.
It's crazy to think about the thousands of lost lives stemming from a single fraudulent study.
Our "leader" is an anti-democratic felon rapist who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.
It's not a joke.
Americans are stupid as fuck.
It's Poe's law- sometimes it's a joke, sometimes they're serious, and it's nearly impossible to determine which at any given time.
I shit you not; my dental hygienist just confided in me that 5g towers scared her while she was taking my xrays. She thought they had adverse effects on the body. She has an associate's degree. She mentioned they were thinking of dropping thee lead jacket requirement for patients and was shocked when I said yeah I totally agree.
There's a reason why there comparisons out there about x-ray exposure comparing a flight to number of dental xrays. She's better off not getting it multiple times a day, but my annual xrays do no harm to me.
I personally know nurses who I went to school with who are anti-vax.
They are not joking. They are 100% conspiracy-theory loving, in it for the propaganda weak-willed individuals who will buy anything that shows the man is holding them down, and through some simple choices they themselves can make, they have an edge on the world in their own minds.
I told her that I had a HAM radio license and a background in electronics and science and that understanding exposure to ionizing and non-ionizing radiation, there's no serious effects from cell phone towers and that even if there was one in the room with her, the worst that would happen is heat.
I personally know nurses who I went to school with who are anti-vax.
Honestly, lockdown convinced me that most nurses don't have enough education.
Your average practice runs with one doctor on the books and a handful of nurses performing all the observations and making decisions by proxy.
Even if they had the education and passed the classes, I worry. Working as a nurse in a regional hospital and being anti-vax isn't a "didn't know any better" kind of problem. These people can be trained to the gills, but if they were brought up anti-vax, they're not going to do shit polio literally shows up on their own personal doorstep.
It's a very real belief, lot of folks here weren't around to know the "before times" and nothing is ever real until it happens to them.
The real problem isn't the FO, it's the lack of empathy until it affects them personally.
oh 100% some people do genuinely believe that. I personally know people that do
They actually believe it. Despite no actual link being found. Despite the author of the OG article admitting that he falsified data.
People here also believe that mRNA vaccines will rewrite your genes, that the COVID vaccine sequesters in your testicles and makes you sterile and magnetic, that vaccines are less effective than "natural immunity", that vaccines will feminize you and make you compliant to authority, and that vaccines are ineffective.
I have legitimately heard all of those arguments against vaccines in the wild. For the record, vaccines are one of the oldest and most effective preventative measures we have. There is a reason why the mortality rate for children isn't +30% anymore, it's vaccines, and vaccination programs.
It’s all too real even today, however that might not be the cause of current measles outbreaks.
Measles was eradicated from the US years ago, thanks to high vaccination rates. However that means most people have never seen measles so there is a fringe belief that it’s not harmful or the vaccination is more harmful, and vaccination rates have been declining to the point we could get a larger epidemic.
We do have localized measles outbreaks many years but they’ve usually been attributed to a new infection from overseas and a very local community insufficiently vaccinated. Sometimes the population is from places where they’re not vaccinated, sometimes it’s a vulnerable population. While yes, it can also be from fringe anti-vax groups, I really think the bigger fear is whether those fringe groups open a path to much wider outbreaks or epidemics.
there is a fringe belief that it’s not harmful or the vaccination is more harmful
Some actually believe that it makes their children's immune system stronger.
People are stupid and subscribe to tribalism. It's very real.
Not American, but at least a few do. And they're exporting it. My old English teacher back when I lived in the Dominican Republic was an American missionary who taught to fund her religious activities. Guess what beliefs about science and politics she was spreading along with her beliefs about baptism of the spirit?
As an American that lives 20ish miles from the boarder of Idaho state (on average poor, uneducated, and conservative population), let me tell you its fucking real. Those people are ignorant and proud. It is depressing.
The irony is it was all started with a guy trying to spread FUD over existing measles vaccines to try getting his own vaccines picked up.
People heard about the original, now discredited study, which came out around the time autism diagnosises were increasing. People then either didn't hear or chose not to believe that the OG study was discredited.
United States citizens have reasons not to trust their government with their health. Trust takes a lot time to build, and recent administrations haven't been building it.
400 not being treated for an illness seems quite different and low count vs preventive vaccination of population.
Yeah. We only betrayed 400 of our citizens. Why don't the rest trust us?! (This is sarcasm.)
Joking aside, that's just how trust works.
...therefore vaccines cause autism?
Therefore the advice of the CDC can't be trusted.
I trust the CDC. I wish others would too.
I lost people I love to all of this anti-vax bullshit.
As part of my grief journey, I tried to understand.
And now I'm not inclined to mock those who mistrust the CDC.
Mocking them won't bring my loved ones back, and it won't save anyone else's loved ones.
Their experience is different than mine, but it's real to them.
We either talk about ways to rebuild that trust, or we accept that we're going to keep losing loved ones. I choose not to accept it. It's not easy, and it requires trying to understand their world and their hurts. But I've lost enough people, it's worth it to me.
Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
6) No US Politics.
Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !askusa@discuss.online
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu