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submitted 1 year ago by hellfire103@sopuli.xyz to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I have used SearXNG for a while, but I switched to LibreX after the search engine started glitching. Recently, though, LibreX has stopped returning any results. I am currently on Mojeek, but the results aren't that great.

I have also tried Qwant, but I wasn't too keen on it. Startpage will be impractical, as I use a VPN and this engine often blocks me because of it. I don't want to use Brave Search for a number of reasons. MetaGer has too many important features behind its paywall. I'm not sure about DuckDuckGo, but I could use it if there was no other option.

Any suggestions, or am I being too picky?

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[-] xHoudek@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

Why are people so against DDG here? Just wondering because I use it and think it’s fine

[-] yoppa@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Anything US based should be avoided.

[-] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

General good practice

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago

US-based meaning 3 letter agencies can get your data without a court order and that you aren't protected by the GDPR if you don't live in the EU

[-] EnderofGames@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

They track their users, even though not tracking users is supposed to be their thing.

[-] authed@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

DDG is basically Bing

[-] rizoid@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago

I'm wondering the same. ddg has been great for me.

[-] yoppa@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago
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[-] glacier 34 points 1 year ago

I primarily use DuckDuckGo, and occasionally have to use a !bang to get to the Startpage or Google.

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[-] DuckGuy@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 year ago

If SearXNG worked for you, why not use a more stable instance?

[-] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What issues did you have with SearXNG?

You could try to self host it, or even just run it on your local machine.

Shameless plug on how to set it up locally, and how to set up custom filters (to block junk websites and redirect reddit to the old interface).

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

It stopped returning results. I tried other instances: same problems. However, I think the issue may have been fixed.

I am currently on an iPhone, and I'm not really in a position to self-host (although I did try to set up a FreedomBox the other day).

[-] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Ah fair enough.

I started by having it on my laptop, and used it only there. Liked it so much that I'm renting a VPS around $5 a month to have it on all my devices.

But to be fair, I'm also hosting other things on that VPS (SearXNG is very light), so it's multi-purpose.

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[-] Syrup@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Can you tell us why Qwant wasn't a good choice for you? I heard they work hard on respecting privacy while providing good results... So I am curious about your experience

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

The engine occasionally throws up a "Sorry, we've detected unusual traffic from your IP address" and then I have to type in my query again after solving the captcha. They're also based in France, which is bringing in anti-encryption laws and suchlike, so (unless I'm an idiot, which is not unlikely) the risk of something compromising Qwant is rising a bit.

On top of that, it's the only privacy-respecting search engine not to achieve an A grade on ToS;DR.

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[-] Lightning66@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I use a self hosted instance of Whoogle. It threw up an error a few days back. Got stuck in Google captcha(probably an IP issue). Now it has reset and it is smooth sailing.

Yeah, it is simply Google results, but I think it's fine...

[-] chief_chef@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago

I use Startpage, it’s based within the EU and a proxy for Google results!

[-] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Google results

which these days are very very bad! especially if you search something tech/programming related.

[-] utopianrevolt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

some here won't like the idea of a premium, private search engine but Kagi is one of the best tech discoveries I've made in a long time. I pay $5/month for 300 searches and always seem to hit the limit at the very end of my month, never payed the 1.5 cents per search after that.

[-] muertinez@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

can you explain more on why it’s worth that subscription?

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[-] Siliconic@discuss.online 8 points 1 year ago

I use Brave Search, it's quite good imo

[-] authed@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Brave

Its surprisingly good... I rarely need anything else

[-] AresUII@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
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[-] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

A random thought

Do we really want search engines ?

Or, do we want AI to tell us the answers to our questions?

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

We want search engines. GPT-3.5 has a knowledge cutoff in 2021, so I only really use it for software recommendations and text/code formatting.

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[-] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Considering how often chatGPT gives complete and utter bs answers, I think I'd rather find the info on my own.

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[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Let me go ask chatgbt for the answer, hold on one second.

[-] Caravaggio@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

I don’t want to use Brave Search for a number of reasons.

Mind sharing? I'm curious because I switched to DDG several days ago, after a good while of using Brave. My reasons were:

  • defaulting to Moderate safe search every couple of days
  • inability to provide me with good results for simple '[word] wiktionary' queries
  • having to block some elements of their result templates manually, using their own browser's filtering feature (featured snippets, definitions etc)
  • poorer search results compared to what they were a year, two ago

Some people here mentioned Kagi and I liked it a lot when I was beta-testing it, but I will only start paying for using it when they introduce full support for Boolean operators, which most likely means never.

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

I don't like Brave as a company. Brendan Eich is an arsehole, Brave Browser has had (minor, but numerous) controversies, their crypto stuff is off-putting, and now they're sticking their new AI into everything.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

I have to say I used Random Searx a lot, startpage as Backup. And as VPNs are getting mainstream, it gets a pain in the ass. Mullvad Leta sucks too kinda. Now I use duckduckgo alone and actually never need my specially configured SearXNG search providers, although useful.

I have to say, I use a lot of search engines. Using the "Add custom search" Addon on Firefox you can easily add any URL containing a search word to your browser.

I maintain some lists of search engines that need updating.

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I'm using https://metager.de/ it's German and sometimes the results lean towards that but in 99% of cases it doesn't matter.

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[-] lcb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe some will dislike , but i use yandex, i don't know why, but i get good results. I prefer to give them my info and not google

[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definitely not. Never mind "out of the frying pan, into the fire"; for me, this is "out of the lake, into the fire".

Using Yandex would involve giving my personal data to Russia. The possibility of my data falling into the wrong hands is the main reason I am looking for a private search engine; I'm certainly not then about to just walk up to the wrong hands and say "here you go". Not to mention the censorship.

Besides, I've blacklisted the .ru, .su, and .рф, .москва, and .yandex TLDs in NextDNS.

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