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[-] Xariphon@kbin.social 103 points 2 years ago

That's an odd way to spell "what the insatiable greed of like seven corporations has done to us."

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

Those 7 corporations. Would those be companies whose products we keep buying?

[-] normalbeet@slrpnk.net 40 points 2 years ago

They have trained you all your life to blame the victims.

[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 years ago

Who is consuming their products? I'm doing my damn best not too while striving for structural change, and I'd bet the other user is too. What about you? People taking your stance are usually the ones trying to make excuses to keep consuming mindlessly.

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[-] Neato@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry, I can't stop using electricity or gas to go to work because I need to eat and pay rent to live. Because that's the world those rich people made for everyone else.

[-] Xariphon@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Whether you do or not, other major corporations do, and while the money changes hands between a few dozen rich assholes, the planet burns and they laugh while you blame me.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago

You mean the products they designed to be as cheap as possible with no care on their impact on the environment, and then brainwashed the population through marketing to make us think we actually needed them?

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

You don't even need to brainwash. Just make sure their wage stays at a level where their survival depends on buying the cheapest of cheap, necessity will do the rest.

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[-] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago

Yeah, if people really wanted, they could make their own phones and all they own by hand. These damn socialists!

[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 years ago

"We can't make our own phones, so there's literally nothing we can do!"

Do you have a plant based diet, or try to reduce meat consumption to the best of your abilities?

Do you walk or take public transport when you could walk?

Do you avoid buying things you do not need?

If you answered "yes" to all that, then congratulations! You are part of a different 1%, and you are also just arguing for the sake of arguing.

If you answered "no", then you're part of the problem. You can pretend otherwise all you want, but you are one cog that keeps the system going. The system isn't magical, other wordly, or some fundamental law of the universe. The system is people and their choices.

[-] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah to those 3.

However, I wasn't intending to argue with someone with such a simplistic view of how the system works, anyway. If you think it's all up to the customer and the corps nor the system have no blame in comparison, it's just a lost cause, so sort yourself out.

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[-] ox0r@jlai.lu 13 points 2 years ago

New York times being new York times

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[-] WilliamTheWicked@lemmy.world 90 points 2 years ago

I'm only in my thirties. I don't really think I had like..... A huge hand in all this.

[-] Bipta@kbin.social 56 points 2 years ago

Well it can't be the billionaires or the boomers, so it must be your fault.

This is what late stage capitalists actually believe

[-] Syl@jlai.lu 12 points 2 years ago

We should still try to do something, because it can become worse. So it's still an actual problem to make other people believe it's a thing...

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[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago
[-] Bipta@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

And how many in their voting lifetime? About 25% according to that site.

Now how many were in their country? Surely a much smaller portion.

But we're all to blame really, because we all take part in the system. The only way to escape blame is to not live. Although, to be clear, blame should not be evenly distributed here.

[-] young_broccoli@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

I dont think we are not all to blame. We are forced to be part of the system, as you mention, the only way of "escaping" the system is by not being alive. How can we be blamed for something that was imposed on us?

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[-] CleverNameAndNumbers@lemmy.ca 75 points 2 years ago

I find articles like this so frustrating. It feels like it is aimed at being a wake-up call to the reader, but at the same time offers no solutions, no advice and still lays the blame at the feet of the average person for not doing enough. "What we have done to ourselves" is not advocate enough I guess?

Perhaps I'm not the target audience for the article. I grew up in an environmentally conscious home we'll before it was trendy and have been worried about climate change for as long as I can remember. It's hard to see an article like this as anything other than an effort to drive traffic...

I'd be happy to hear what others got out of the article if it was more positive than my read of it.

[-] nottelling@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Climate despair is the new climate denial, and these doomer editorials are oil industry propaganda pivoting.

If we can't do anything about it then nothing has to change and rich people keep getting everything they want.

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[-] Vlixz@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

My parents always act surprised when I tell them I don't think I'd want to have children.... Maybe I'm being negative, but if I had to guess this is only going to get worse and will never be fixed. I genuinely don't believe the next generation is going to have a decent future ahead of them.

[-] EvilEyedPanda@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

As soon we start worrying about things other than money, we might actually have a chance, but as I get older I have more and more doubt that'll happen.

[-] Sused@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 2 years ago

we didn't do shit. big oil companies on the other hand...

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[-] JazzAlien@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago
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[-] ecoylent@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

We deserve everything that's coming We took this world to our graves, We made its creatures our slaves Shattered the hourglass, an un-erasable past Humans, Demons, deranged and depraved

[-] Torvum@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Pretty bad doomerism takes here.

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