Just to add a note that this graph comes from a study made on rats. I love the study and i use this graph frequently when discussing drugs, but i think it's important to know.
Being done on rats also raises the point that it's done excluding a mental component of using the drug, like for instance how some people use cigarettes in depression for its antidepressant effect or use alcohol to cope with mental health issues.
It also doesn't explore the mental health effects of repeated exposure to large doses of hallucinogens on people, which we still don't have research on because of how demonized hallucinogens are in most countries doing research on drugs.
I've been doing an exhaustive study for the last couple of decades on the effects of whiskey on a human with mental health issues.
Feedback?
It's hard to write down scientific conclusions when you black out at the end of the night, but so far I wouldn't recommend it. I'll try again tonight and get back to you.
Your commitment to science is commendable
I drigle fumbar. Fabulous.
Science.
It also doesn't explore the mental health effects of repeated exposure to large doses of hallucinogens on people, which we still don't have research on because of how demonized hallucinogens are in most countries doing research on drugs.
Also, I don't think you'll get that past an ethics board...
LSD stays winning
Psychedelics just chilling at the bottom. I'm not even sure there's a proper LD50 for these as there are no recorded deaths where overdose was the cause. It's so funny yet sad that these are super illegal while booze and tobacco are perfectly legal.
And the CIA tried SUPER HARD to find it too
Love Sex Dreams
He's right, we should legalize it. We've lost the war on drugs. Fully legalized cocaine would be dirt cheap and addicts with access to a safe, affordable supply could lead relatively normal, stable lives. The money earned in the drug trade would be taxable instead of supporting criminal or extremist groups, both at home and abroad.
Not so sure such a highly addictive substance would be so innocuous. It's several times more addictive than alcohol
I don't think it's innocuous, but we're already failing to prevent the harm it causes and our efforts are causing a great deal more.
Not really, it’s somewhere between alcohol and nicotine in terms of addictivness. Slightly more than alcohol, slightly less than nicotine.
Ah ok. I wouldn't know conclusively but the cokeheads I knew were... more intense than the alcoholics.
Probably because it being illegal creates a selection bias. Most people will never use it or have it easily accessible. Most people will have easy access to alcohol and nicotine, and will likely try at least alcohol.
No, I'm referring to the "let's buy another 8ball for $250 tonight" and then regretting it the next day. Super common. Whereas the drinkers could be okay with not drinking anymore in most cases.
You also have to take into mind that theyre probably taking coke laced with amphetamines without them knowing and not pure cocaine
While I can admit drugs aren't "good" per se but I do think most* should be legalized. We should have harm reduction classes that can teach people how to use responsibly. And have clinics where addicts can go to try and get clean and can provide whatever drug they're addicted to in a safe environment. Also tax revenue.
But that would require empathy and an honest look at how other countries handle drugs much better than the U.S.
South Park predicted it yet again
This reads like an Onion headline lmao
i don't know enough about cocaine and want to learn.
setting aside the axe he has to grind and in the specific context of his comments about fentanyl and whisky, how accurate or inaccurate are his statements? what makes them so?
Going off memory, I think cocaine on its own really isn’t THAT bad as far as hard drugs go, but when combined with alcohol it metabolizes into “cocaethylene” which is highly toxic and basically shreds your heart.
And I’ve never met anyone that uses coke WITHOUT booze.
Fuck yeah. I want to be able to buy cocaine as easily as I can buy whisky.
The monkey's paw curls its finger. Alcohol has been criminalised, and is now equally easy to buy as cocaine.
Nah, we did it, it got easier to find.
Is cocaine legal in Colombia?
According to wikipedia, you can own up to a gram (1 or 2 doses, but like half a dose if you're the kind of person who doesn't need the internet to know that), and you can gift it and make your own. But you can't sell it...
Jeeeez. A gram of pure stuff is enough to get both my partner and I zooted for like three nights straight.
Anecdotally, cocaine seems to make its users into the worst versions of themselves. Alcohol can have negative effects (the “mean drunk”, drinking as disinhibition for impulsive antisocial behaviour, etc.) though the average drinker is generally not regarded as negatively as the average cokehead. I wonder how much of this is due to the substances’ intrinsic properties and how much due to cultural expectations.
I suspect a large part has to do with a selection bias. The people most likely to turn into a bad cokehead are also the people with the most access to it. Most people will never come into contact with cocaine, but they will come into contact with alcohol and likely consume it. The average person is more likely to become an alcoholic, while only certain segments are likely to even have the potential to become a coke addict and I'd bet on those segments being more likely to be harmful.
Yeah. The stereotype of the cokehead is the asshole trader who works at Goldman Sachs. Rookie numbers and all that…
Cocaine either makes me crazy. Aka I think it was cut with something. Or does absolutely nothing to me. Aka this is the pure stuff. The better the cocaine, according to my friends reviews versus mine, the less I feel any "effects". So that was the start of internal alarm bells about ADHD 😂(very much so diagnosed and medicated now lol). Just better focus but a bit moreso than my current meds, as a rough guess it's been over 10 years.
But I never saw them become the worst versions of themeslves.
Unless. They drank at the same time as consuming.
An important caveat though:
"The authors explain that one of the limitations of this study is that drug harms are functions of their availability and legal status in the UK, and so other cultures' control systems could yield different rankings."
Cocaine is still illegal, and by extension less available. I'm no expert, but I have to imagine that is affecting the rankings here significantly.
Yeah, but it's be hard to tell whether legalization would lower the rating or raise it as there's a lot of confounding factors. For example overdoses and direct mortality would probably go down since people could dose properly instead of guessing. Crime and financial issues could also go down with an open market making it cheaper and safer.
On the other hand larger scale societal problems could be revealed by mass availability. Also more health problems from chronic use could be revealed once legalization allows for more and larger studies. Or maybe current studies on it are overestimating the harms because current illicit cocaine users tend to be unhealthy for other reasons and your average person will have less problems with cocaine use.
Either way I think it'd be hard to argue cocaine isn't at least on the same level as alcohol and should be legal. Contrary to mainstream discourse that views it as some evil powder that will make you addicted if you even look at it.
I'm generally in favor of legalization, but we should go into it with the best, most accurate information we have about the potential impacts so preparations and safety nets can be made in advance.
Shroomers don't harm others, how polite <3
That's perfectly normal. They have no incentive to lie, do they...?
So do alcohol companies, and they have a way higher marketing budget to convince you it's harmless and just a fun thing to do when you hang out with your attractive friends.
Guys.
I wish we could talk about cocaine like we talk about beers and marijuana.
The Bolivian Cocaine Strain is the best tasting one in my opinion.
I don't know if this is true today, but it was definitely true at first. But because of cocaine prohibition, the powder became incrisingly purer and the plant increasingly stronger. Prohibition made cocaine a more dangerous substance to consume.
Legalization and regulation could bring standardization to the cultivation and processing of this plant. But as far as I know that has not happened with weed, so it is unlikely.
Keeping the whiskey out of the microwave is more about taste.
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