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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) by lka1988@sh.itjust.works to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

I'm in the process of getting my Home Assistant environment up and running, and decided to run a test: it turns out that my gaming PC (custom 5800X3D/7900XTX build) uses more power just sitting idle, than both of my storage freezers combined.

Background: In addition to some other things, I bought two "Eightree" brand Zigbee-compatible plugs to see how they fare. One is monitoring the power usage of both freezers on a power strip (don't worry, it's a heavy duty strip meant for this), and the other is measuring the usage of my entire desktop setup (including monitors and the HA server itself, a Lenovo M710q).

After monitoring these for a couple days, I decided that I will shut off my PC unless I'm actively using it. It's not a server, but it does have WOL capability, so if I absolutely need to get into it remotely, it won't be an issue.

Pretty fascinating stuff, and now my wife is completely on board as well; she wants to put a plug on her iMac to see what it draws, as she uses it to hold her cross-stitch files and other things.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Cool!

Just be cautious that you don't over-optimize for power. I ran around my house w/ a Kill-a-watt meter checking everything and made some tweaks, and I still don't think it has paid for itself since power costs are so low here ($0.12-0.13/kWh, so 10Wh 24/7 < $1/month), and some of the things I tried doing made my life kinda suck. So I backed off a bit and found a good middleground where I got 80% of the benefit w/o any real compromises.

For example, here's what I ended up with:

  • put desktop to sleep - power draw is negligible, and I don't need to keep typing my FDE password to use it
  • "upgraded" NAS from old 2009 HW to my old gaming PC HW (1st gen Ryzen) - cut power draw in half, but I had to buy some RAM; will take years to pay off w/ electricity savings, but it has much better performance in the meantime
  • turn off work laptop - was drawing ~20W; I WFH MThF, so I leave it on Th night for convenience, but have it sleep M-W and turn it off Friday

I could probably cut a bit more if I really try, but that would be annoying.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, my power bill is pretty reasonable already, considering my large family plus all the electronics I run. I just like seeing what everything is doing as a matter of curiosity.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 26 minutes ago

Oh yeah, as a hobby, it's absolutely fun. I like tinkering with all kinds of things.

My point was to just be careful since it's not necessarily going to be worth the expense and time.

I've been considering getting a breaker-level power monitor to watch for spikes. It's a bit more expensive (hundreds of dollars), but it measures the types of things I'm interested in. My kid flipped on our gutter heaters (I never use them) and shot our electricity bill to the moon for a couple months until I noticed. If I had a home energy monitor, I would've noticed a crazy energy spike and that might have paid for itself.

[-] AliSaket@mander.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago

Yeah I made a similar discovery after installing a Shelly Switch with Power Metering. The monitors and their brightness make a huge difference as well when in or near idle (for photography, so not a surprise). I've also implemented an "anti-standby" function, so the switch opens whenever the current falls under a specific threshold.

For the WoL, since I have a switch, I configured my BIOS so it would turn on after power loss. Now I can start to boot up from afar :)

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

That's certainly one way to do it...

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I discovered a similar issue. PC desk was using 8-9W when the PC was turned OFF! My power strip was taking a bit under 1W (the little light, old), two smart bulbs as well but I'll allow those losses. An older Logitech speaker setup (2+1) was taking 6-7W, turned off! Crazy.. and illegal if it were made today (in EU). So this is completely wasted energy in my opinion.. started disconnecting the whole desk now.

For comparison, my home server is averaging 7-8W, turned on all the time:

I also learned that PC's draw a lot of power lol. I used to sit on my PC all day, now I know how much it cost. Even the monitor turning off splits the power draw by half.

[-] czardestructo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Older speakers like that use always on transformers, constantly wasting energy to keep the core energized. You're correct those cannot be made any more, they must use efficient switch mode supplies.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

What are you running your server on?

[-] Xanza@lemm.ee 18 points 11 hours ago

Chest freezers are exceptionally energy efficient. It's not a very good comparison.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Ah, but only one is a chest freezer πŸ˜‰

That, and I used to have a freezer that was a power suck.

[-] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 4 points 12 hours ago

I also found out something interesting. My desktop uses about 1/3 of the power one of my freezers do. :)

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

That's either a really efficient PC or a really old freezer πŸ˜‚

[-] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 4 points 11 hours ago

The PC is effecient. It's not a gaming PC. It idles at around 16W and maxes out at 80'ish.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 10 points 15 hours ago

Couple of thoughts:

  1. That smart plug may not be rated to the max wattage when GPU and CPU are at full blast. Be careful, because that could be an expensive mistake. Place a surge protector between the smart plug and the PC to be safe. Also run the PC full tilt for a while and make sure the smart plug doesnt get warm. If it does, fores have been known to start from those.

  2. Sounds like you know this with WoL, but suspend is your friend πŸ˜‰ If the gaming PC is linux and you run into suspend issues, let me know, I've seen 'em all.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 13 hours ago

how do you deal with kb+trackpad not working after wake?

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 4 minutes ago

Depends on the driver. Usually for finicky ones you can do an rmmod at suspend and a modprobe on resume. What distro, and are you using the default suspend mechanism?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 minute ago

yes, i'm on ubuntu, using all the default drivers.

and i would guess its finnicky because its an old laptop.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago

The plugs are rated for 1800W each. Should be fine. I hit 670W a bit earlier, running Furmark VK and Cinebench R23 multi-core simultaneously for shits and giggles.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 6 minutes ago

Oh nice. Do you have a link to the plugs you chose? I got some 20amp ZigBees from Aliexpress for $3 each, work great, but I wouldn't trust them to handle their rating.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 20 hours ago

It has never occured to me my whole life to not suspend or shut down computers overnight. It wakes up in like 2 seconds why wouldnt you, even if it used only an extra 1W

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

The problem I have with this I put the PC to sleep overnight every night - and like clockwork, Windows wakes it back up sometime overnight to do.. Something.

I've been diagnosing the issue for years - checking wake timers, switching hardware devices permissions to wake the system off. I might fix it for a few months and then a new Windows update comes along and it's back to its usual routine of waking itself.

Looking forward to seeing if it persists with Linux when I move at the end of support period for Win10 later this year.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 11 hours ago

Looking forward to seeing if it persists with Linux

I have never had what you described happen in my past 15 years of using linux, i hope you find your way around things, linux is dope once you get used to it.

My PC goes down from 70W idle to 2W when suspended. I also have a master slave power strip, that turns of all my peripherals (speakers, lights, audio interface, etc) when the PC drops below 10W so that saves some extra energy.

[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Windows is gonna Windows. Even if you did track down the issue your one update from a borked system or square one when they alter the setting and relocate it on their own accord.

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 17 points 20 hours ago

You must be pretty young, because back in the dark days of spinning HDDs a computer would take 5+ minutes to boot.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago

Those days were at worst almost 10 years ago.
Stop living in the past with those situations.

And you get an SSD.
And YOU get an SSD.
And you fine sir also get an SSD!

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago

Suspend != boot

Even in 2010 or earlier waking a pc from suspend would have only taken 2-3 seconds because the whole system state is in RAM not on disk.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 6 hours ago

At least until MS muddied the waters with "hibernate".

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[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 4 points 16 hours ago

It has never occured to me my whole life to not suspend

Reliability issues with suspend-to-ram are rather common. Shutting down is an option, but session save and restore is a relatively recent thing and not supported by all desktop environments. I.e. it's the post startup part that takes the longest.

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[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 15 points 20 hours ago

Those storage freezers are doing nothing the vast majority of the time. Not really a fair comparison.

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[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

My desktop PC idles quite high as well. The semi high-end consumer motherboards on the AMD side tend to use a lot of power at idle, so I think that's a big part of it (at least the x570 series, can't speak for later). And as others have said, high refresh rate and multiple monitors can make things worse.

I'll add though that people's perception of how much power there system is using can be skewed by software based monitoring tools. People may think there system is using only 50W because that's what software reports but it's actually drawing a 100W at the wall.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I'm eyeballing HWINFO64 right now, it's saying my GPU is idling at ~28W and the CPU is idling at ~36W. Add a couple watts for the fans, various peripherals, and waste heat; it's close to what I saw earlier.

The dual 1080p monitors eat up about 30W apiece on their own, when powered and actively displaying something. Barely a watt or two each when in standby mode.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

My X670E system also uses a shitload of power. Literally 150w at idle, no matter what I do. Tried disabling every unnecessary feature in the BIOS and enabling all the energy efficient settings I can find, to no avail. Drives me nuts.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

What kind of freezers are they? I hear that top loading freezers are quite efficient because the cool doesn't escape when it gets opened like a front loading one.

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[-] flubba86@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

If I'm reading that correctly, that shows the system is drawing around 100W just sitting idle.

Something is not right there.

Either the power meter is way out of calibration, or there is a configuration issue with your PC. Maybe you have a performance setting that is causing the CPU and GPU to not idle down ever? Or a rogue antivirus software that is cranking the CPU constantly?

Are there any spinning disk hard drives in your PC? They can sometimes use around 5W each on idle. That was the biggest cause of idle power consumption on my old xeon server, with 8 HDDs.

PSU choice can also affect it. Eg, if you buy into marketing and buy a monster 850W PSU, but it's idle all the time and only uses 450W under load, then the PSU is spending the whole time outside it's efficiency curve, and can end up causing more power draw than expected.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

That's nothing; my Ryzen 7000 machine uses 150w at idle. Modern high-end desktops draw a lot of power.

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[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Yeah, energy monitoring ruined several things for me. Can't let my PC idle anymore, can only turn on the dishwasher when the sun is shining, need to explain regularly to my wife, why our home network and server infrastructure consume 130 Watts per hour, have to automate all plugs with standby devices connected...

The damn freezer consumes only 400 Watts per day while Network infrastructure, server, Wallpanels and KNX consume 3 Kilowatts, I wish I would have never learned this.

[-] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Just fyi, Watts is a measure of power, and WattHours is power over time. So your home network and server consume 130w, which would be 130wh after an hour, or 3120wh after a day. The chest freezer would be 400wh in a day, rather than 400w in a day.

[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Easy to miss typing in a hurry too. I just did it above.

[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Thanks for the heads up, I often let the time slip when casually talking about stuff like this.

Actually the server and network consumes 130Wh or around 3120Wh a day, while my freezer (actually a fridge) consumes 400Wh per day or around 16Wh. That's also the reason why I was shocked about the consumption, as you would guess a fridge takes more.

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[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Have you considered putting your gaming pc in one of the storage freezers? /s

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