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Proton's very biased article on Deepseek (lemmy.ml)

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Article: https://proton.me/blog/deepseek

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[-] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

DeepSeek is open source, meaning you can modify code[...] on your own app to create an independent — and more secure — version. However, using DeepSeek in its current form — as it exists today, hosted in China — comes with serious risks for anyone concerned about their most sensitive, private information.

They are not wrong here.

After having read the article fully it doesn't seem to be that partial and acknowledge also the failing of others. It is not as stupid as the CEO stance on "Republicans helping the little guys" for sure.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 10 points 8 hours ago

failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers

That's not why. Almost no one is going to do that. That's why they didn't mention it.

[-] lemmus@szmer.info 14 points 10 hours ago

They are absolutely right! Most people don't give a fuck about hosting their own AI, they just download "Deepsneak" and chat..and it is unfortunately even worse than "ClosedAI", cuz they are based in China. Thats why I hope Duckduckgo will host deepseek on their servers (as it is very lightweight in resources, yes?), then we will all benefit from it.

[-] FuzzyDog@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Serious question, how does them being based in China make them worse? I'd much rather have a foreign intelligence agency collect data on me than one in the country in which I live. It's not like I'd get extradited to China.

[-] crewman_princess@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 13 hours ago

Surely Proton's own AI is without any of these problems... https://proton.me/blog/proton-scribe-writing-assistant

[-] febra@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Tutamail is a great email provider that takes security very seriously. Switched a few days ago and I'm very happy.

[-] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 3 points 5 hours ago

Yet not great from a privacy perspective. They don't even allow third party email apps.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

You could write this exact article about openai too

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

The article goes into great detail about how it's different from OpenAI so, no.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

The thing is, some people like proton. Or liked, if this keeps going. When you build a business on trust and you start flailing like a headless chicken, people gets wary.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

A blog post telling people to be wary of a Chinese app running an LLM people know very little about is flailing?

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Can't it be run standalone without network?

They also published the weights so we know more about it than some of the others

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

This focuses mostly on the app though, which is #1 on the app stores atm

We know it's censored to comply with Chinese authorities, just not how much. It's probably trained on some fairly heavy propaganda.

[-] FuzzyDog@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

You don't think ChatGPT reflects western propaganda?

[-] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Sure it might but the thing is it may still acknowledge that there are different opinions on some topics. Does reflect how whilst governments may have a narrative, people can say what they think. In China, that's a different story...

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Probably, but that's not the new thing

[-] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

When the CEO praises Trump, says China bad because China while hiding that occidental AIs have the same kind of censorship, that’s hypocrisy.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

hiding that occidental AIs have the same kind of censorship

This is the second sentence in the article:

AI chat apps like ChatGPT collect user data, filter responses, and make content moderation decisions that are not always transparent.

The entire rest of the article is about how they actually do not have the same kind of censorship. You should try reading the article before commenting on it.

But DeepSeek...does all that and more.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

He did not praise trump though

[-] cupcakezealot 108 points 22 hours ago

I hate AI but on the other hand I love how Deepseek is causing AI companies to lose billions.

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 54 points 19 hours ago

The desperate PR campaign against deepseek is also very entertaining.

[-] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

Billionaires are really pissed about it, I’m happy.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

We're playing with it at work and I honestly don't understand the hype. It's super verbose and would take longer for me to read the output than do the research myself. And it's still often wrong.

It's cool I guess, and I'm still looking for a good use case, but it's still a ways from taking over the world.

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 6 points 11 hours ago

The same is also true of ChatGPT. On the surface the results are incredibly believable but when you dig into it or try to use some of the generated code it's nonsense.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

I certainly think it's cool, but the further you stray from the beaten path, the more newly janky it gets. I'm sure there's a good workflow here, it'll just take some time to find it.

[-] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 14 hours ago

Why do they even have to give their goddamn opinion? Who asked? Why should they car

[-] firadin@lemmy.world 51 points 22 hours ago

Unsurprising that a right-wing Trump supporting company is now attacking a tech that poses an existential threat to the fascist-leaning tech companies that are all in on AI.

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[-] tonytins@pawb.social 62 points 23 hours ago

DeepSeek is open source, but is it safe?

These guys are in the open source business themselves, they should know the answer to this question.

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[-] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 31 points 22 hours ago

I don’t think they are that biased. They say in the article that ai models from all the leading companies are not private and shouldn’t be trusted with your data. The article is focusing on Deepseek given that’s the new big thing. Of course, since it’s controlled by China that makes data privacy even less of a thing that can be trusted.

Should we trust Deepseek? No. Should we trust OpenAI? No. Should we trust anything that is not developed by an open community? No.

I don’t think Proton is biased, they are explaining the risks with Deepseek specifically and mention how Ai’s aren’t much better. The article is not titled “Deepseek vs OpenAI” or anything like that. I don’t get why people bag on proton when they are the biggest privacy focused player that could (almost) replace google for most people!

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Exactly.

Also, none of the article applies if you run the model yourself, since the main risk is whatever the host does with your data. The model itself has no logic.

I would never use a hosted AI service, but I would probably use a self hosted one. We are trying a few models out at work and we're hosting it ourselves.

[-] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

True, hosting deepseek yourself is much better. I'd still wait and see if anyone finds weird stuff in the code itself but tbh idk how long that could take.

Can't wait for the models to get better and hopefully stay open source!

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

weird stuff in the code

What code? We use a different runner for the model so we can run multiple different AI models, so the only thing we're getting from DeepSeek is the model.

[-] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

I just meant generally, not sure what 'open source' means in the context of ai (not a programmer)

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