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EU absolutely is a country.

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[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago

No, but that's not to say I wouldn't be delighted to see Xitter and Meta burn. Ultimately, though, we need laws that require transparency and impartiality on the part of the owners, similar to the rules we have for television news outlets, and those rules need enforcing in no uncertain terms. It doesn't matter, then, if the service is native or foreign.

[-] Toes@ani.social 7 points 4 days ago

I believe censorship is harmful to civilization.

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[-] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

no, i support an open internet. censorship is stupid and generally easily worked around. which usually leads to an escalation to make it more and more difficult, until you have chinese-style internet.

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think regulation would be the proper course of action, here. I mean neither do we ban American cars in Europe. We just say they have to play by our rules or they can't do business here. So I wouldn't support a ban based on country of origin. But regulation what they can and can not do.

[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

How do you regulate closed-source code to be free from back doors for spying and sabotage, and black-box feed shaping algorithms to not have bias and censorship for mass manipulation?

Don't rely on enemy services in a cold war, no matter how much they seem to follow your regulations.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think that works like all other regulations. Like for example food, chicken, cars and machinery. You take samples and check them. Or have a court decide to have a look at the paperwork... If anything looks fishy or people get harmed... Investigate. And we have investigators and experts in domains available. It's fairly easy to do. And decisions regularly rely on expert opinion...

And I don't view myself as the enemy in a cold war. I'm opposed to the current administration of the USA. But that's pretty much it. I'm not necessarily in active combat against the economy... Well... I am against privacy invading platforms. But because they invade privacy, and not because they are from a certain country.

[-] comalnik@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I probably still wouldnt support banning any specific social media, or social media from a specific country. What needs to happen is some fucking regulation for algorithms, moderation, hate speech and misinformation. And then you can ban any social media that doesnt comply

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

UK. yes. as well as US news, import export.

[-] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 9 points 4 days ago

Absolutely not. I'll rather choose for myself which content I consume than have the government choose it for me.

[-] Majorllama@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago
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[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 1 points 3 days ago

everything except skype and mabye YouTube

[-] Zero22xx 7 points 4 days ago

Fuck no. The Americans provide 90% of our entertainment and they're actually fun people to interact with and chat with (the ones that aren't wearing MAGA hats that is). What am I gonna go without Americans on social media? Talk about fucking Table Mountain? Join the Europeans in looking down on the USA for everything and always acting like their own shit doesn't stink?

Fuck that, I'd start using VPNs.

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[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 11 points 5 days ago

I don't believe censorship is the solution there. It can be used for good, but more often than not it's the kind of system that can be massively misused to silence inconvenient information.

The best solution is teaching people to think critically early on so they learn to question information and seek both sides of the story before drawing conclusions and avoid confirmation bias. Don't silence misinformation, teach the tools to render misinformation worthless.

No. And I would continue helping people evade whatever censorship a government tries to impose on them.

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[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 9 points 5 days ago

There is a Paradox of Tolerance that essentially says that if you are tolerant of the intolerant, all tolerance will eventually be overrun.

This is what's currently happening in the USA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I don't think that banning them is going to fix anything, but sanctions for not controlling the platform and prosecuting and punishing perpetrators is going to make an impact felt way beyond simply banning a platform.

Being in a civil society requires effort. So far the effort in curtailing the extremism embodied by USA social media has been incidental at best.

[-] 211@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago

Not a blanket ban no, but if they constantly break our laws then yes. And I'm perfectly ok with laws that some would decry as censorship (anti-hate-speech, fact-checking) or claim makes business impossible (strict interpretations of GDPR).

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

UK, and no, censorship is bad, especially if it's controlled by a capitalist government.

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[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 9 points 5 days ago

That’s a double edged sword right there. If you don’t allow external influences, you block both good and bad types of conversations. What you’re left with is only the local conversation, which might be balanced or biased depending on where you live.

If you live under a dictatorship, you might really want some of that external influence. If you can trust that the local conversation is good and balanced, banning Twitter and Meta won’t have any serious drawbacks.

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[-] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

No. How much shit do we need to ban before you dumb fucks understand prohibition never fucking works and only fuels more crime.

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[-] Venicon@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Slight tangent but I have never until recent days considered social media companies to be American. I know on reflection they are but as a Scot I had used FB, Twitter and Insta for years without ever thinking they were American social media, just social media cos all my friends and family were there.

I’ve only retained Insta now, all else is Fedi. At the very least ban until age 16.

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[-] Winterfrost@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

No I would not.

[-] zxqwas@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

No, not if they follow our laws. That being said I don't use much social media.

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[-] win95@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

Twitter: yes 1000 percent. Meta: businesses, landlords and social workers communicate via whatsapp here so I'd prefer bigger fines and more pressure on meta.

Yes, I use signal messenger, but I also quite literally need WhatsApp unfortunately.

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