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https://lemmy.nz/post/18610200/13255360

This user describes how most of the women-centered communities on Lemmy were shut down due to harassment of their members.

Another user adds "We need a safe space, but most of the women I know on here don’t have the time or energy to moderate it. And there’s so few of us, it feels like it’s not worth the effort anyway."

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 46 points 2 days ago

Yup, that's a problem. Specially because, once the gender ratio gets too skewed towards one side (it is), the Petrie multiplier kicks in; then the sexism targets each woman more and more frequently.

Potential solutions that I see for the problem:

  • Perhaps creating a few instances for women? I don't mean instances to talk only about feminism, but for general stuff. With higher standards against harassment.
  • Better mod policing against harassment. Collective action, so it's easy to say and hard to do it, I know.
[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 25 points 2 days ago

The admins could try banning sexist men, but that'll never happen

[-] ech@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago

The admins of what? There is no singular "admins" of the Fediverse. That's kind of the whole point.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

I understood "the admins" as "a meaningfully large amount of the admin teams of the Fediverse". Collective action.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

I still don't read it that way, but assuming it is, that is still unreasonable. There are simply too many differing viewpoints, by design. The best option for this sort of thing is to start a female focused instance. It won't be able to affect the wider fediverse directly, but it would be able provide the space that is seemingly absent atm.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago

I think that it would be a good start. But only a start; sexism is a social problem, so even if you ban the individuals saying sexist stuff, you still see sexism elsewhere.

And even if you ban overtly sexist users, others will keep:

  • focusing on topics typically enjoyed by men, and typically disliked by women;
  • interpreting what each other says based on masculine social norms;
  • assuming that they're dealing with other men unless explicitly told otherwise;

etc.

That's still aggravating, you know? You can't pinpoint why but it still makes you feel unwelcome.

[-] Zero22xx 27 points 2 days ago

Thanks for the enlightening thread. And that puts a dampener on the enthusiasm that I was feeling for this place. Not that I should be surprised or anything.

I might misunderstand how things work here but it sounds to me like if entire communities are getting bombed by downvotes, then it's the various admins across instances that are allowing this to happen. And it puts a bit of a dark cloud over this place now for me.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

One of our admins was banning people if they saw you only downvoting. This place is so much better than reddit, that growing pains are fine with me.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Hello the based dept called they want to speak to that admin

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[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Back when I used Reddit, one of my favorite subs was TrollX. If we had a sub with that spirit, it would be a good start.

Are there secret communities on Lemmy? Not that secret communities should be a default, but I was invited to a secret sub on Reddit years ago that was all women. It was a true safe space from harrassment, where we could talk about feminine things that we knew wouldn’t gain traction in main subs. I have no idea how it started, but I knew that users who were invited to join had previously been vetted by the sub’s mods - they saw that I’d made feminist posts and multiple comments about being a woman, and didn’t go around picking fights. It was like a background check.

I don’t believe there is any one solution, but starting with dedicated communities (in the spirit of TrollX), with mods that smack down misogyny and (actual) trolls, sounds like the best way to start.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah private communities on Reddit are an actual delight. /r/centuryclub was an unexpectedly fun community to be a part of. I kinda miss the memeing that went on in intro posts on there.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 18 points 2 days ago

Let's get away from the "X chromosome" bit now that we're not stuck with Reddit's bad names

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

It doesn’t need to be called the same thing.

I’m also not sure if it matters, but Troll X and Two X Chromosomes were very different subs. Troll X was more of a spin-off, and was never strictly for XX women - it was trans-inclusive by default. That’s what I’m hoping for here too.

[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Neither was twoxx arent many of the mods trans? Or is that a lie ppl say, I've seen that said a lot on redit

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[-] Sop 7 points 2 days ago

I was on trollx and it was a nice community. A community with a name derived from two X chromosomes will never be fully trans inclusive though.

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[-] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago

It's especially jarring coming from Mastodon, which is broadly more diverse than Lemmy. I've witnessed some really questionable comments here during the last year. I really hope something can be done to improve things. I think a feminist-specific instance might be the best option, much in the way someplace like Hexbear has managed to create a fairly strong community bloc with strong core beliefs.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sadly hexbear doesn't have a ton of really active comms specific to women. Though at least they're very aggressive removing misogyny across the instance. It's been categorically less stressful posting on hexbear vs the rest of lemmy simply because I'm not then checking an inbox with replies/dms calling me 'removed' or 'it' or other charming insults.

Removing downvotes makes sense too, though I also like keeping them and using them to ban people abusing it. The voter is only visible to admins though.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 days ago

Hexbear might be safe for binary women, but as far as drag can tell, they're still sexist against a few million other gender identities. Drag went to Hexbear and searched for discussions about dragself pronouns. It wasn't good.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I wasn't able to find posts drag is referring to, as near as I can tell both instances drag uses defed hexbear. Feel free to send me a link.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

The one that I saw was positive, and if there was some negativity, it was far less than posters over on sjw and .world.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

It seems to be one of the problems where Lemmy feeling a bit like old Reddit is really, really bad. Remembering from back then, it took many years of concerted effort and dedicated subreddits attacking sexism (that were in turn harassed and hated on by the "mainstream" Reddit audience, like SRS for example) to slowly change the culture. And it's not like Reddit is some sort of safe haven even now.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

You win some, lose some, it’s all the same to me.

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[-] Sop 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The is why dull_mens_club gives me really bad vibes. Any similar community aimed at women would be harassed into oblivion.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 24 points 2 days ago

Any similar community aimed at women would be harassed into oblivion.

And why is that a problem with dull men's club? I mean I'm not subbed to it but it occasionally appears in my feed (I browse /all) and it seems to be just what it says on the cover: A dull men's club.

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[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it's much better then literally anywhere else on the internet. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but unfortunately everywhere else is worse. As such, I'm not sure whaz the solution is for Lemmy in particular.

Everywhere where it seems "better" is just moderation making it seem like that.

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago
[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 15 points 2 days ago

You don't need to ask anyone's permission to create a Lemmy community.

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