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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by CatZoomies@lemmy.world to c/pcmasterrace@lemmy.world

Hello PCMR community!

On July 13th, we asked the community for your opinion if you would like to change the name of this community.

Results of the Survey :

  • Yes - 28.1%
  • No - 71.9% (winner)

Of the 1,201 responses received, we as a community have democratically decided that we should not change the name from PC Master Race. I am grateful to our community for your input, as this was a difficult topic to navigate together.

If you would like to review the history of this, please check out this post here: https://lemmy.world/post/1430610

We'll pin this post for some time and then consider adding a bullet into the sidebar for this Community to help stave off further discussions around this topic as the community has already decided collectively.

Kind regards,

The Moderator Team

@Hurts@lemmy.world @_MoveSwiftly@lemmy.world @Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world @IowaMan@lemmy.world @BobaFett26@lemmy.world @The_Vampire@lemmy.world @Fudgeknuckles98@lemmy.world @CatZoomies@lemmy.world @Xeon@lemmy.ml @geosoco@kbin.social

EDIT 30-Aug-2023:

Due to some of the recent targeted attacks against Lemmy.world, I noticed that the image I shared with this post was purged from their servers.

Here's a new screenshot of the results for posterity: https://i.postimg.cc/jqNg5gWx/pcmrsurvey.png

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[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What should you do if you are unhappy with the results of this survey?

  • I understand you are disappointed. This is how democratic decisions work, and is the reality of the situation.
  • My opinion here is for you to take a moment to look inward and decide for yourself how you want to proceed.
  • If the name of this community bothers you, my recommendation is to do the only thing you can do as a person: make a choice and opt out.
  • There are other communities you can join and collaborate in. You can always spin up a new community in the Fediverse, on any instance out there, and create new content to attract users.
  • However, if you are okay with accepting that the name of this community will not change, stay with us. We'd love to have you here.

Final notes to remember:

  • We are all gamers. We are all united by our varying levels of PC enthusiasm. Let's stay united in our hobbies, rather than allowing ourselves to become divided. Seems like these days there is so much division all across the world, all across social media, in our news, etc.
  • For all the evils out there in the world, this is a safe place for us.
  • Every person on this planet out there has a different opinion. Remember to be kind to others, even when no one is watching you.
[-] Sternout@feddit.de 47 points 1 year ago

This is how democratic decisions work

the only thing you can do as a person: make a choice and opt out

This is wrong

A democratic decision doesn't make it just or moral. You always have a right to protest.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

And it's not just about what you have the "right" to do. You're capable of moves like maneuvering to take control of its parent instance, starting a new alternative community, lobbying real governments that wield hard power to brutally suppress anyone using a name involving "master race". Or buy up a bunch of PS5s and give them away to people who are on the fence about whether to get a console or PC.

Not that I want the name to change myself, but don't try to limit what our opponents can do about it. Who knows, maybe their practice here will give them experience that will help overthrowing other oppressive regimes.

[-] ethman42@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also, the purpose of the government is to protect the minority from the majority. Just saying

[-] Gyrolemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Wrong. The purpose of the government is to protect you from other governments. It's an extortion scheme but the devil you know is the better than the one you dont....

Also changes in ruling powers are usually bloody so the government exists to prevent that as well.

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 251 points 1 year ago

Folks seem to be missing why PCMR is even a thing. It is a tongue in cheek representation of PC users during the console brand fights of PS2/Xbox though PS4/Xbox One. The idea is that PC users sneer down on console users and don't see the precarious position we are in with our bloated upfront costs to entertainment.

It was never meant for a direct "PC is superior" idea - in fact it's making the statement that PC users are silly and take themselves too seriously.

[-] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

And even if it weren't, jokes are allowed to be edgy.

You can say fuck on the internet, as they say.

And I for one lived through enough of the 90s (all of 'em) that I don't care for this "must sanitize everything, think of the children" attitude just because it's suddenly coming from the left.

So yeah, fuck'em, communities are accountable to their members, not random mouthbreathers barging in demanding to be accommodated.

You wouldn't do it at your clubhouse and you shouldn't do it here, either.

[-] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Something I have really learned about the "sanitize everything, think of the children" types are that the huge majority dose not mean "protect the children" they mean "ban it for everyone, because I don't like it" and a lot of them don't even know what they want removed, they just looked at the cover and said "this is bad"

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[-] ours@lemmy.film 36 points 1 year ago

And over the last few years that upfront cost has gone up insanely between everything costing more during COVID and GPU pricing miking gamers first during the crypto craze and now with the AI one.

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Though, the insane scalping also shot PS5 prices stupid high too.

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[-] Nihilore@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

It was coined by Yahtzee as a way of making fun of PC elitists, we just took the joke and ran with it

Seriously. It was a constant shitting on. Games would skip PC. Console gamers would brag about their Master Chiefs and Kratos. Hell, I remember we were even lower than Mobile Gaming during that era! Fucking Angry Birds and Candy Crush was more important than any PC game!

Then thanks to Steam and mods and indie games, we reign supreme. Companies came over in droves. I, a PC gamer, can finally play Halo and God of War and Sonic. Nintendo still holds out but that's okay.

So the master race was a joke, but also a rally cry for representation.

Rock paper shotgun used to have a tagline like "PC Gaming since 1873". I always love that tongue in cheek.

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 131 points 1 year ago

Good for you, gamers. We programmers have lost the master branch forever.

[-] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

This may be an unpopular opinion, but as someone who just started programming like 2 years ago, main makes more sense and is a more approachable name to me than master

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Going to change to anything that made sense in git, trunk would have made most sense (or something along those lines). Since your project can have many branches... Tree puns!

But changing it after the product was out was a dumb idea regardless of whatever makes sense and what doesn't. It was blatant pointless virtue signaling that broke some automation and makes a bunch of documentation needlessly confusing (someone just starting out and seeing main but the book they bought to learn says master... Now has to find out why).

Edit: my terrible spelling and grammar

[-] elephantium@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

pointless virtue signaling

What do we want? An end to blatant racist murders by police!

What do we get? Rename our git branches!

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago
[-] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Cause one of the two is fucking stupid.

The word "Master" isn't exclusively tied to slavery and to deem it offensive on those grounds pretty much guarantees you're American and have an understanding of history that makes any actually educated person want to vomit.

A Master branch, like a master copy of a recording, is the reference copy against which others are measured, it's not a master in the sense of ownership but in the sense of benchmarking, like a master of a craft.

[-] bastion@feddit.nl 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This. And even if it were a matter of control, 'master' is a valid terms for that. It is perfectly fine for one piece of technology to utterly control another. It is not fine to do that with humans.

Cutting out the vocabulary just makes it so that when we run into a real situation, we feel like we can't talk about it.

I will keep vocabulary, and keep history, because that's how we know the reasons for the ways we've changed. Blotting things out of our conceptual vocabulary just makes the next generation susceptible.

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[-] elscallr@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The concept of a master branch reaches back to CVS (that's Concurrent Version System, not a pharmacy), and Subversion. Makes sense it wouldn't make sense to you. Frankly it doesn't make sense to git at all, but that's a much larger discussion.

[-] Intralexical@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

The concept of a "master copy" has been around and in widespread use for around a century. It has nothing to do with either software nor social (in)justice. It's just the thing you photocopy so you don't end up making photocopies of photocopies. IMO It should make sense to anyone who, you know, has seen and used paper within their lifespan.

Some terminology, like "master and slave" for IO between devices, did always used to make me really uncomfortable whenever I heard it. But the branch name for software was probably fine.

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[-] colonial@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I still use it. When GitHub first forced it on everyone, it broke one or two of my scripts - so I ended up just changing the default back to master out of spite, and haven't touched it since.

[-] Zikeji@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago

s/master/main

It took me all of 5 seconds to fix my automations when GitHub changed that. Also "forced" is a bit strong, they didn't touch existing repos, and it's only the default branch if you let GitHub initialize the repo (which I never do).

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[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 123 points 1 year ago

Unlike dodgy racial theories, the superiority of PCs over console plebs and iToddlers is an unmutable physical, psychological and metaphysical fact of the universe. No, I am not being ironic.

[-] eg_taco@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

unmutable

Is that like when you hear something and you realize you can’t mute it? Or did you mean immutable?

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 year ago

How do you know someone is a PC gamer?

You don’t need to ask, and you can’t even mute them. You’ll hear about it soon enough.

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[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Oof I felt this one. But at least with my "investment" I can get all the frames on Stardew Valley.

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[-] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml 96 points 1 year ago

The fact this poll was necessary makes me really sad

[-] Dettweiler42@lemmyonline.com 81 points 1 year ago

For all the people that don't understand where there name of the community came from, here is the video that started it all: https://youtu.be/P0dXtOVi2yo?si=Vlxetg3tmkjWGE70

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[-] AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id 58 points 1 year ago

Damn I missed it. Glad most of us (more precisely 71.9% of us) have good taste.

Long live PCMR

[-] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago
[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Senator Palpatine intensifies

[-] DrownedAxolotl@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago

My God, this is still going on. I'm still having trouble comprehending whether this is just a very elaborate parody. The term "master race" is not in any way offensive and even if it is (to a small amount of people) they are perfectly within their right to be offended, but not to ban other people from using it.

[-] Lt_Cdr_Data@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hate the 2020s. Can we just go back a couple years, back when meme pages didnt have sticks up their arses?

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[-] Neato@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah, go ahead and keep the nazi verbiage. That's helping the image.

I don't think most people get that it was originally denigration of the elitist attitudes some PC players had and Yahtzee was making fun of them. And yet they use his imagery still. Y'all are bafflingly obtuse...or perhaps like the comparison? Can't tell which is worse.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you clearly don't get satire

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[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Umm, that’s entirely the point. We aren’t celebrating fucking Nazis, we are making fun of them. Literally playing along with the joke Yahtzee made. The sub is literally playing along with the joke. I think you may be the one being obtuse

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[-] CarbonConscious@lemdro.id 26 points 1 year ago

Well, this is kinda gross. Missed the poll, but pretty disappointed with the results. The big swell of tongue-in-cheek nazi jokes to go along with it is really telling and discomforting.

Anyways, good luck with the crowd you're about to attract, and see ya on the other side of an instance block (or not, rather).

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

crowd you're about to attract

You realize this name isn't new, right? The poll was to keep the name, not switch to it. If it attracts a certain type of people, they've been attracted this whole time.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago

Plus the subreddit this community is based on is old af

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[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

It also literally makes fun of it. There is no glorifying of Nazism, it comes from a Zero Punctuation video making fun of PC elitists. Y’all really need to go touch grass.

Fuck I’m as left as they come, even marched in a Pride parade IN FUCKING IDAHO no less this year. And even I see the joke. For fucks sake people.

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