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I do love how the stupid comment is refuted by a purposely stupid comment that perfectly refutes the first stupid comment in the same realm of stupidity. This is gonna blow some idiots mind.
Hows the second one stupid?
Because turning addition into an analogy about gender it's meaningless and stupid, but we've got this weird obsession with turning shit into metaphors and pretending that it proves something.
It literally proves that two separate things can be equal. It’s an eloquent and poignant way of saying “you’re wrong.” And they are wrong, because the only argument was they’re not equal because they’re different.
If they wanted to talk about hormones and muscle mass and other physical things, then yes, your point is valid. But they made a very stupid argument and were proven wrong.
There is absolutely no situation where reducing a conversation on gender to basic algebra isn't stupid, but like I said, the initial comment is stupid and deserves a stupid response. It was a good response, but I think we can all admit the conversation itself was stupid and meaningless.
There is absolutely no situation where reducing a conversation on gender to basic algebra isn't stupid
Except this one. If you're going to be so fundamentally wrong that you can be refuted by elementary arithmetic, why should anyone bother putting any more thought into it than that? No, you can't reduce gender relations to a basic math question, but you can reduce thst guy's take without missing anything important.
There is absolutely no situation where reducing a conversation on gender to basic algebra isn’t stupid
If they were doing so in totality (ie: all conversations on gender being compared to basic algebra) then I'd agree with you. However the response is so targeted, in it's content and in the context of going after a specific respondent who was saying that things that are different cannot be equal, that I don't think they fall into this trap.
Right until its sports
Or getting the kids after a divorce
Or giving birth
Or fist fights. Or facial hair.
Well to a certain degree I guess. They're never going to be as equal as numbers can. What is even meant by men and women being "equal"? Equality of opportunity?
Why do you ask?
It's been my experience that people who value equality don't care about the nitty gritty of what it means, because it's a value. An ideal. And if you hold equality as an ideal, that means it's always something to work towards. Inqualities are triaged, but they're all something that we should overcome in the name of fairness and egalitarianism.
Someone always brings up "equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome" when they want to disrupt and derail people who value equality by getting them to wrestle in the mud about how much equality is too much. And, to be frank, it feels like you're trying to throw the "equality of outcome" wrench into the gears here, and I don't believe that is ever done in good faith.
What's the problem with equality of outcome? What does it even mean? Where does the objection come from?
Simply put, it comes from resentment. It comes from the idea that "I worked hard, so I deserve a better quality of life than someone I choose to believe worked less hard!" And that's just a long way of saying "I believe I am more deserving than someone else".
But why? Often this comes from people who already have a certain level of comfort in life believing that they hold more right to that comfort, safety, and happiness than someone else. Too often in this sphere, it comes from people who liked tech and did well in technical subjects in school believing that that entitles them to a higher quality of life than someone who wasn't interested in or had no special aptitude for those subjects. But shouldn't one of the freedoms that comes from equality being the freedom to find joy in what you want? Why should I be rewarded more lucrative Ly than you for enjoying something different?
And if I don't enjoy it, should it really make sense for me to suffer at something I don't enjoy for the sake of wealth? Maybe the equality of outcome is really the equal ability to experience joy, and comfort, and security no matter what we enjoy and how we invest our time? If the world has the resources to allow it, then why should one person be punished for chasing their joy while another is rewarded?
The answer usually boils down to "I made better decisions, so I should be rewarded!" which is just another way of saying "people who make mistakes should be punished!"
And that seems like bullshit. What kind of world is that? Where people aren't safe to make mistakes (and this is ignoring the idea that someone's passion can be considered a mistake)? Where they're punished for trying something different? Or for not jumping on a trend? Where safety and comfort are used as crudgles to force people to do things that make them miserable?
Because that's really what "what do you mean by equality?" is really saying.
Dang, if this isn't a copypasta, it ought to be.
ok
but what do you mean by equality?
And in the first place, aren't we all different?
Nobody is just man or woman and nothing else. We all have a huge number of traits that all together make us individuals. From the physical like size, hair and so on to the mental, what we enjoy, what interests us and so on.
King Charles, the Rock and me are men. Solely on gender we are the same. But people would be quick to point out all the differences.
3 + 2 = 6 + 1
the best part of this dumb comment is that the only way it's right is if you fail at basic arithmetic that single-digit-age children could correct you on
it's a perfect metaphor for sexists and transphobes
I'm pretty sure they were just making a reference to 5/7 perfect score, a nearly decade old meme.
Dont nudge in trans women related issues, please. Trans women dont face the same issues as cis women.
Hey JK Rowling is on lemmy!
This is correct if we use a different number space where the "+" symbol implies multiplication.
Responses that completely destroy the original argument in a way that leaves little to no room for reply - a targeted, well-placed response to another person, organization, or group of people.
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