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The petition is open to all EU resident. The goal is to replace all Windows in all public institution in Europe with a sovereign GNU/Linux.

If the petition is successful it would be a huge step forward for GNU/Linux adoption.

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[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago

For governments, I think the priority should be exchange and archive formats. Regardless of what apps and platforms they use, I as a citizen should be able to read that data via free software. Govt should be able to read what I provide to them. Govt in the future should be able to access archives if they have moved to free software.

Next is the platform ( the OS and the web browser ). You can run your proprietary video editing on Linux. If demand on the scale of ALL European gov moved to Linux, I assure you that Linux versions of the software they need would exist ( even if still proprietary ). I use Outlook on Linux every day. I also use Teams ( usually on Edge ). RMS would hate me. But I only archive to AV1 and Opus, never HEVC and AAC. Most of what I use is FOSS.

Least important really is the apps. I have no problem with companies solving problems better than FOSS and getting paid for it. Even by gov. As above though, those that do not need the “better” version should be free to use something else. And the “default” ( for things like basic docs ) should be FOSS too. This is just not as important as the file formats and platforms.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 144 points 1 week ago

It’s ridiculous that governments don’t use customized Unix/Linux builds.

[-] erin@social.sidh.bzh 55 points 1 week ago

well that's what this law proposition is about... Better late than never but for it to be passed a maximum of EU resident should sign that petition

[-] shrugs@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Funny enough, I'm working in IT in government exclusively with Linux for the past 20 years, which shows that indeed it's possible.

There are a few reasons I don't believe a petition like this will change a thing though

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[-] bustAsh@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

My main worry with Linux becoming more popular is that it will be attacked with more malware and viruses. I wouldn't mind though if Linux programmers could come up with better protection.

Linux is already what a decent chunk of servers run, so I don't really see it increasing malware.

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[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

Most of the Windows malware gets deployed by some user downloading and executing random files they downloaded on the web. Since installing applications on Linux is usually done through some centralized package manager or app store (Flathub), it almost entirely eliminates this attack vector. Running random scripts from the internet by downloading them using curl and piping them into sudo bash is a whole nother issue though. Noob-friendly distros like Ubuntu should IMO have some safeguards in place to block these actions.

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[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 36 points 1 week ago

Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

[-] fuzzy_feeling@programming.dev 36 points 1 week ago

https://www.techspot.com/news/102518-windows-microsoft-office-replaced-linux-libreoffice-german-state.html

The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.

Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

Nope, not Germany. The city of Munich, and it was rolled back because a politician took Microsoft bribes and drank the Microsoft snake oil.

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 21 points 1 week ago

Apparently they are back on the Linux train as of 2020, so thats good news.

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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago

No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.

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[-] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

afaik Bayern rolled back to Windows after some Microsoft "lobbying"

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Government systems should be locked down and limited.

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[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

The city of Munich deployed their own custom Linux systems many years ago. But since it wasn't really maintained and updated, the user experience was pretty bad and the city's employees were unhappy. Then Micro$oft lobbyists also came in and made them switch - by threatening to move their German headquarters out of Munich, which would cost the city lots of tax revenue.

https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

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[-] hellofriend@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Solution: don't ship a shitty distro. This is the sort of issue that actual IT professionals need final say in. Not the MBAs. Not the politicals. The people who actually know what they're doing. Additionally, years ago Linux was in a much different place. It's really matured into something more suitable for both the average end user as well as professional adoption.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago

PSA: You can support this petition even if you're not an EU resident

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago

Adopting Linux is the best way to help ensure European sovereignty from maga meddling.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 25 points 1 week ago

I mean I'd be fine with BSD too. the point should be to force public institutions to use FOSS

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[-] fuzzy_feeling@programming.dev 24 points 1 week ago

dunno how many online petitions actually worked, but "kay guys... now... linux!" ain't gonna work.

[-] erin@social.sidh.bzh 26 points 1 week ago

That's a parliament petition. If it succeed it is forced by EU constitution to be turned into an EU law.

That tool is offered to EU representant to create a kind of referendum and accelerate the adoption of a law through direct democracy.

[-] MyParentsYeetMe@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago

I think you're a bit mistaken. Per https://www.edf-feph.org/enforcement-toolkit-european-parliament-peti-committee/

"The Petitions Committee does not have investigatory nor enforcement powers and it can only adopt non-binding recommendations. Nevertheless, it can be a good tool to draw political attention to specific matters."

At most, it makes the parliament have to look at the proposal and decide if its worth looking into or not. It doesn't force anything.

Unless I'm looking at the wrong kind of petition to the EU Parliament?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 1 week ago
[-] AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is an uphill battle in the face of corporate lobbying, learned fixedness, and, let's face it, unintuitive UX that is found in some selection of FLOSS which is often absent in proprietary counterparts: something that people who are not tech savvy (tech-indifferent?) would prefer not to put up with.

However, I think the last problem can be mitigated with the right kind of focus and funding from such initiatives.

There have been many such initiatives[0][1] over the years in different countries where they eventually lose steam and fade away.

Also, is there an operating system backed or sponsored by EU that is actively maintained, analogous to BOSS[2] and Pardus[3]?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:State-sponsored_Linux_distributions

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Operating_System_Solutions

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardus_(operating_system)

E: typo

[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why creating a new distro instead of using a big one and contribute to it?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

They aren't building something from scratch. They probably are just going to make a base image with everything configured in a standard way.

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