164
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Social_Discussion@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Hey everyone, I'm new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn't publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says "Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.").

The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the "lemmy.ml" server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers".

So I thought I try that one when it's from Lemmy's own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called "The Principles of Communism" which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I've never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it's part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.

This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?

(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This seemed very sketchy to me.

👻 A spectre is haunting @Social_Discussion@lemm.ee

Some of Ayn Rand’s earliest works are out of copyright now. Would that have made you more comfortable?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Welcome. Admins and mods of every instance, not just ml are very trigger happy to enforce their opinion. Going as far as fully disabling users accounts. Not by using an automatic word filter though.

Each instance has different political opinions you need to agree with. This one likes communism. Upside is no email verification required, so it is very private.

Lemmy is much more wild west than moden Reddit. Similar to old Reddit. Enjoy the ride.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Zak@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It's quite resistant to any single entity's censorship, but if you share things most server admins consider unacceptable, other servers will block your server.

lemmy.ml... copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism”

At least one of the Lemmy developers is a hardcore communist, and some people see lemmy.ml as a little sketchy for that reason. I see you found another server, which is exactly how federation is meant to work. While the overall culture tends to be left-leaning, most server admins are not hardcore communists and don't censor political positions that aren't advocating violence or discrimination.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

one of the Lemmy developers is a hardcore communist,

To be clear, they roleplay as a "hardcore communist", whatever that is. Its not any different than how billionaire sycophants with no access to capital make statements like "I'm a capitalist" while working minimum wage jobs.

Having a high-paying software engineering job while enjoying the social safety net that a liberal social-democracy provides, does not one a communist make.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] teagrrl@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Filters out conservatives pretty well and stops bots because it requires the user to read.

[-] Jobe@feddit.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The .ml admins are, to put it mildly, far left. That's why it's great to have other instances like lemmy.world, feddit.org etc. If you don't agree with how the admins run an instance you can make an account somewhere else without missing out on content.

[-] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

That depends on the instance you are in.

[-] mitexleo@buddyverse.one 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The issue you've faced varies instance to instance. If you want complete freedom and censorship resistance, you have to run your own server.

[-] Naadan@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you for posting, OP.

I was thinking about making an account here. Saw this and made one here, to see how the instance would feel like.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

hahahahahahahahahaaaaa

you're fucking kidding me

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TL:DR; ml is for Marxist-Leninist, but each server has their own philosophy and rules, so just comment and post on other servers if you want nothing to do with this. On censorship, modlogs are public so there's no hiding stupid admin actions unlike Reddit.

Hello and welcome to Lemmy! Enjoy your stay, even if it can be a little chaotic the discussion and vibes are generally in a good place for real people to talk, and I think the Fediverse is where the future of our internet should be, open and people-first instead of corporations.

To give you context, the lead developers of Lemmy and maintainers of the lemmy.ml, are Marxist-Leninists, and that's why it's .ml and that's related to the signup process. Esoteric signup processes (most other servers are just describe why you want to join) are there to help prove you're not a bot or troll or are aligned with that server's values. Lemmy.ml is a general topic instance but their moderation has a pro-Russian, pro-China slant, and have been known to ban comments and users speaking against that on controversial (e.g. Ukraine, Gaza, US politics) threads. That's the reality, there is a lot of valid criticism of that from within and outside Lemmy, but that's also their perogative. (That sounds not great, but stay with me here.)

However, being part of the Fediverse, this software extends beyond the developers' own political whims. So, you aren't subject to their philosophy if you don't post on .ml and aren't registered with them. Other servers have different policies, some more laissez-faire like db0 or ee, some very protective like beehaw.

I hope you can understand that even if admins sometimes have power trips, they don't have the power of Spez to kick you off the whole platform or enforce awful rules. If we compare Reddit to a kingdom where you can be expelled at any moderator or admins whim, Lemmy is more like a fiefdom where you can only be expelled from the duchy. If you're an extremely unlikable troll, every server will reject you.

Because these relationships between servers are organic, it's not all sunshine and rainbows and there are a lot of topics people can and will disagree on. Please just try to be reasonable with your fellow user and moderator, try not to get upset if your post is removed (double check the rules of the community AND server you post to) if you get 20 downvotes on something unpopular (though it's avoided on lemm.ee since downvotes are disabled). Modlogs are open so if you think a ban/removal is unfair/unjust, appeal to your mods/admins first, if you think it's still unreasonable or part of a power trip rampage you can have a discussion about it on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org, and mention your old user handle for people to judge whether it was justified or not. Unpopular stuff often doesn't get censored unless it breaks rules, or is just plain mean, trolling, flaming or unproductive.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It seems like most have this covered, but it is my limited understanding that which instance you pick can defederate from others of their own choosing. This means you can't see their content AFAIK.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago

Because dessalines is legit in competition for the most cringe person on the internet.

[-] Sprokes@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Censorship still exists in lemmy. I got banned from an instance just because I said some things that weren't aligning with far left ideas. I was one of the active members of that instance (we were very few) on non political communities.

I made a political post and one of the administrators wasn't OK with it and started insulting me and then banned me from the whole instance.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

lemmy.ml has earned itself a pretty bad reputation, although there are instances that are worse. They keep things clean enough to not get defederated, but you're not really in sane company on there.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy.world has earned itself a pretty bad reputation, although there are instances that are worse. They keep things clean enough to not get defederated, but you're not really in good company on there.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
164 points (100.0% liked)

Asklemmy

51580 readers
307 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS