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Default config is 16gb ram, 256gb ssd
32gb ram is 450$ upgrade, 2tb ssd is 800$
Amazon prices are 120-150$ for 64gb ram or 2tb nvme ssd
So maxing out both costs 1250 for a ~300$ (retail) upgrade, if that were possible.
~~It might be possible. The mini uses socketed ram, though the connector is revoltingly proprietary.~~
Ram is on the soc, the SSD isn't really an SSD. It's just nand chips on a pcb. The controller is on the soc.
It does make me wonder what value there might be in a third party offering, tied with a local repair shop who have a Mac running Sequoia that can be used to restore it. Assuming the boards are reasonably easy to produce (easy for someone who is able to do that kind of thing), it’d be pretty straightforward to take your Mac in to a shop to have it restored.
The boards are already in production by some company iirc. Dosdude1 on YouTube did some upgrades on various M series machines
The boards that dosdude1 used are specific to Mac Studio. The mini M4 and M4 pro model each use their own unique nand board.
I see. Which is unfortunate but at least there's a starting point
It is unfortunate. However he confirmed that you can upgrade with blank NANDS if you can solder.
You’re right. I was thinking of the SSD.
FWIW, not all flash memory is created equal. Apple does tend to use premium chips with better error correction, etc. All that said, it’s still not worth it for most of us, most of the time.
Sure. But the price is maybe 2x. Apple wants you to pay almost 10x.
I wouldn’t have thought Apple are using flash chips that are two or three times more expensive. They’re just price gouging at a point where consumers have literally no option.
A big part of it is that Apple literally places the memory on the same package. It's literally inside the black package that has the CPU, GPU, and some other dedicated processing units. This system-in-a-package configuration allows the M series chips to have memory bandwidth that basically no other system can match.
Intel tried to put memory on package, but has announced that it won't be doing that anymore, probably because it's so expensive to do so.
This does make me wonder whether the entry level mini is something of a loss-leader at this point. Literally just a way to get people into the ecosystem.
Might be yeah. Some of it is getting people in the door who then buy another model. Some of it is getting new people into the ecosystem. Their MacOS business is tiny compared to iOS these days. I scratch my head a lot wondering what they’ll do with it long term.
I’m no expert in business, but I guess that maintaining the Mac side of the company goes a long way towards the popularity of the iOS side. What they make from Macs might be tiny in comparison, but it all helps towards the amount they make from iPhones and iPads. It’s all symbiotic, y’know?
The whole sales of Macs is a small portion of Apple's earnings, but I think it’s still a lot in gross numbers.
I think it’s the sort of thing to keep a hold in case the market shifts and Apple needs to change strategies, like they’ve been doing in raising the percentage coming from services compared to iPhone sales. They’re monetizing the “ecosystem” more than ever.
You can buy a Ryzen 9 32Gb 2 Tb mini pc that seems to have a similar form factor. It's capable of running 3 4K diaplays, not too shabby. at Amazon in Europe for 446€. Or, if you'd prefer, a Ryzen 5 pro 16 Gb 512 SSD for 289 Link so half the money and you get 2x storage... Link sure, no thunderbolt, but considering the specs, I know what I'd buy.
Linus has made a video about this recently trying to build an equivalent machine. There’s really nothing like the base Mac Mini for its price, but that stops being true as soon as you make any upgrades.
What's the power draw at idle for both systems? My money is that the M4 mac mini blows away the Ryzen into space
Probably not as far off as youd think. A lot of the efficiency comes from the smaller node that apple uses. If both amd and apple silicon processors are being compared and that are using the same node, then they are pretty equivalent. 6900hx is still tsmc 7 nm (later version) while the new m4 is on 3 nm. Both are still pretty efficient. It's not like tiger lake levels of inefficient.
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