How much would you pay for a PC with 128KB RAM, and no hard disk?
In today's money (inflation adjusted)
This an ad from Personal Computer World (UK) from 1985
Well, actually this went from funny to tragic.
The company was called Need to Know, and it was initially in an old Victorian under a freeway overpass in San Francisco.
So I got the computer Friday and ran into this 23 line fail that evening. I called around 8:00 pm, expecting to get an answering machine. Instead I got, " Hey come on over!"
So I drive back to SF and get there around 9:00 pm. Somebody immediately puts a drink in my hand. People are just partying in a low key way. There are computer parts all over the place, but people are just partying.
So one of the guys took my machine apart, diagnosed the CPU failure, and replaced it with parts on hand.
I'm back in Berkeley by maybe 11:00 pm with a fully functional computer.
Here's where it gets ugly. I did business with them into the late 1980s. During that time , some psycho took on a grudge against them and literally burned their place of business down.
Several places of businesses, burned down sequentially. Fucking tragic.
I lost track of them by 1990. I don't know if they went further underground or what.
But they gave me a really human intro to computing. I can only hope they are well , wherever they are.
That's a great story. Thank you for sharing.
I wish I knew what happened. It still bothers me.
Around 1983 I got a Morrow Microdecision with two floppies.
No hard drive or mouse. It did come with COBOL.
It failed after 23 lines of text entry. Turned out the CPU was defective.
People kept asking me, "Dude, what do you need a computer for?"
Serious question: What did you use that computer for? So, did you just learn to write cobol and make your own programs?
I don’t know about the OP, but our first computer was a TRS-80 clone with a tape drive, 16k ram, and stunning 64x16 B&W graphics. Every month dad would drive us to computer club, we’d copy as many games as we could (onto tape), then spend the rest of the month trying to get them to work. Rinse and repeat. It was awesome.
Also typed in basic games from the computer mags which needed lots of debugging. How I learnt to program (before being taught Pascal in high school).
I do have a funny story about the place I got it in San Francisco, of you care to hear it.
So what’s the story man? Come on, some of us are invested already.
This is why the ZX Spectrum was so important, in 1982 it cost £125 for the 16K model (£469 or so now). That's within the reach of many consumers. Sure, it was laughably simplistic even at launch, but if it wasn't for the Speccy I wouldn't be an IT professional today.
Hey ZX-81 gang here!
999SKR (Swedish crowns) guess it was like 100$ and it gave you a 1KB 1Mhz computer :-) around 400SKR more for an expansion card with a whopping 16KB...
Went the C64 way but damn that Spectrum was sexy back in the day.
My Dragon 32 or 64 (can't remember which it was) has a lot to answer for too!
Whole bunch of low cost 8-bit machines in that era, the Dragon 32, Commodore 64 and Amstrad CPC ranges to name but a few. Of course we must also mention the BBC Micro, was not low cost but every school had one if you grew up in the UK.
Today, you can buy microcontrollers with this much RAM + Flash-ROM for like $5 USD. No joke.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/microchip-technology/ATSAM4N8BA-MU/4162590
These modern $5 microchips probably have more features people care about too. Also they go like 100MHz on 3V and like 50mA (or less) of current. Or ~150mW of power or so and are therefore suitable to be run off of AA batteries.
Who remembers the Sinclair ZX-80 with a massive 1kb ram?!
I was starting writing here to correct you that it had 48KB (like the spectrums) but thought to check on wikipedia and... you are right! Oh my goodness! 1kb and called a computer! And was a computer!
I remember they had a space invaders type game for it, written and run IN 1k RAM!! Just amazing.
theres 1K programming demo contests now that would blow your mind. like https://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?type%5B%5D=1k
Ooh! I had a ZX-81 with a 16k ram pack on it (and cassette recorder to save with!) as a kid haha….god I’m old!!
Don't mind me. Just showing off the Sinclair ZX Spectrum bag I got a couple of weeks ago. I'm nostalgic for 5 minute loading screens that could trigger an epileptic fit!
The 80s were a different time.
Oh that’s amazing!
The 80’s were certainly a different time. Especially when only allowed to access a computer at school for a few minutes in the day (Apple IIe) so all of us could “have a go at the computer in the library”!
I would never have imagined as a kid what it was going to be like today with smartphones and the internet everywhere….
i'm surprised nobody is mentioning that the keyboards in these were masterpieces that are so valuable today.
We actually had one of those Macintosh 128 K machines in the lower left. My dad got two external floppy drives for it. The first lesson I remember learning, that I still remember is when the dialog box asks:
{Disk Read Error, [Abort][Retry][Initialize]?}
Initialize is Never ever ever the correct option.
Assuming "Initialize" reformatted the disk and preped it to be used fresh?
Correct, and that could be very problematic depending on the disc I had grabbed
Don't get the Sanyo. It's a weird "sorta DOS compatible" machine you'll have a hard time with software and support for.
The Apricot was also exotic, but seemed to have more of an ecosystem.
We had an Apple II+, IIe and //c. I would inherit each one when my family upgraded. They were around $1300 each I think. The //c might have been more because it was "portable" (you could put it in a suitcase with a 10-pound battery and a weird tiny horizontal screen that wouldn't work with most software).
My grandparents had a C-64 which they never used. It basically became mine. I think it was $600.
Owned a //c that was all mine, a birthday gift IIRC. I remember that it had a composite output so you could plug it into a TV to play games on a bigger screen that actually had colour. Loved that thing, including the monochrome (green) monitor that neatly sat on top of it. I would spend hours typing in programs from magazines.
Interestingly mac is the only one with a mouse.
Not very surprising considering their inspiration from xerox parc. I bought a mouse in 86 for my dads pc - a 3 button Genius. On PC mouse would not take off until windows was launched - gui was not needed for real business use according to IBM
Apple was a very different company back then. If they had followed the philosophy they have today, Apple would have been the last company to to introduce a mouse. The idea is that if a new feature becoms industry standard, they won’t apply it until like 5 years later, but make it somehow better than anyone else.
In this context, it would have probably meant not including a keyboard or display at this point. They could have skipped the black+green stage and go straight for color displays while increasing the resolution, size and refresh rate or something.
Waiting 5 years wasn't really an option back in those days. PCs moved so fast that if you waited 5 years you'd be missing whole use cases.
Now if you wait 5 years, there's hardly a difference.
Psh, $5700 and they don't even come with a 4090.
Seriously, though, it's no wonder why businesses had most of computers in the 80s; these companies were ripping people the hell off and getting away with it. Nearly $6 grand and you don't even get a hard drive, nor a reasonable amount of RAM. Give me a fucking break.
My grandfather's glorious Olivetti proudest pc-1,paid 11million lirae (about 6.000€ euros) with an 8mhz CPU and well over 512kB of ram!
(from Wikipedia, the house burned down in 2001)
There was some commercial for the Commodore 64 which basically lambasted the IBM PC for being twice as expensive while having the the same 64K memory.
I was, like, "yeah, but nobody ever bought the 64K model of IBM PC. That would have been just ridiculously limited, right? Right? Everyone got memory expansions, surely?"
Well, 64K was the stock configuration, so I'm sure those memory expansions sold like hotcakes. There was even the option for freaking 16K memory. (Now, I'm sure next to nobody bought that.) Even option to getting no floppy drives, because you could always put your glorious BASIC programs on a cassette tape. Like a caveman. (This also sounds like a rare option.)
Apricot? So there were 2 pc makers with connection to fruit? Or Macintosh is not yet Apple then?
Macintosh was always Apple. Apricot may have been trying to ride on the coattails of Apple’s popularity (I remember the computers but I’m too lazy to look it up).
My father bought a family pc for 1500ish euros (or equal to that amount) vack in.. 1990 or something. With a 386 cpu.
It was great. Though im not sure if the inflation is equal, in my country
I remember my dad paying $800 for 8 megabytes of RAM.
Shit was expensive back then
It's crazy how Computers have changed over the years !
I guess people who have used PC's from the old era would be able to appreciate the current Computers in a completely different level.
When I remember back to the early 80s, me a single digit aged human with my first Commodore 64 and a cassette tape drive, to being a high school aged kid and helping my buddies install their extended memory set chip by chip to get them to 1mb of ram, to way in the future where I type this comment on a mobile phone touch screen capable of unfathomable high resolution graphics and speed is still a surreal feeling.
I grew up and grew old with computers and it’s wild to imagine a life without and a world without them nearly 50 years later.
A computer with a spreadsheet was a HUGE game changer.
In '85 most companies did books by hand and adding machine. Records were kept in ledgers and in filing cabinets. People used to hire CPA's to come in and do the balancing even in small convenience stores. Given labor wasn't what it is now, but a machine like that could pay for itself pretty quickly.
I worked a fast food job in the 90's They had an ancient box running 1-2-3. Every night, the MOD would have to sit down with a paper sheet and an adding machine to generate this table, then enter all the transformed data into Lotus. They literally sat back there for hours working over the data. I asked, why don't you just change the sheet to do all the calculations? Can't, the franchise owner wants it all done by hand. They were literally taking a row of numbers, doing some math on it, then doing more math on each column to come up with a final row of like 7 numbers.
I had them show me what they were doing and wrote a program on my TI calculator to generate the table from the input numbers. Told them if they wanted the program just to get the same calculator and I'd transfer it over.
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