Beehaw was right to defederate many instances and so should we. Beehaw is crazy but not that crazy.

Defederate these instances, what are you so afraid of? Some people here are going full throttle on the freedom of blabla, don't listen to them. Ban this stuff, do you really want Kbin to be known as "this network"? Do you want this reputation? I don't. If you want more then register to another instance which accepts this stuff but don't drag all our infrastructure with you.

Federating this content puts the servers of Ernest in danger.

edit: downvote me more, I take it as a badge of honor because I know who it's coming from.

That is wild, I made an account on there last night so I was curious to find the announcement post. Evidently lots of people are quite outraged. I also noticed as of a few minutes ago a clarification post has been made: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826

To quote:

I have so much respect for @yay@lemmynsfw.com but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol.

Here is what’s happening;

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe.

Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful

I'm not sure what to make of all this; it's a bit iffy to me so I'll be on the lookout for another NSFW related Lemmy community. There were a couple of folks in the comments of the original announcement post stating they're gonna make their own instance so we'll see how that pans out.

Yikes. As long as it’s not actual children it’s fine by me. They’re an NSFW server after all.

You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I'm not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.

well this is the strength of the fediverse, some instances can choose to go off the rails and it doesn't affect the others

I don't think everyone would think of that as 'drawn child porn'. Plenty of live action 'school girl' stuff out there and that usually gets a pass. Pretty much every amateur video is implied to be incestuous now, are they promoting having sex with school kids and incest?

Terms like 'barely legal' and 'young teen' are used all the time, do you think there aren't people out there imagining those girls being younger than 18? If some Loli drawings are where you draw the line then it seems like an odd place to do so. Does nothing for me personally, I prefer drawings of young boys misbehaving, swearing and defecating /s (South Park).

saying loli is drawn child porn

:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.

I had to go find the thread being referenced, it's here for anyone else who hasn't seen it: https://kbin.social/m/lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com/t/42348

I took the time to post my own thoughts in the thread, which I've reproduced here:

It seems a lot of people have very strong negative reactions to anything which is too close to children in pornography. I don't think that's an especially bad thing, but in my mind the only reason to be against minors in pornography is to protect those same minors from harm.

As an analogy, I find scat porn disgusting. But that doesn't mean it should be banned, as long as all parties are able to consent and no harm is done.

When it comes to non-child-coded drawings (though with childish proportions), I don't see the harm or lack of consent. And if that is the case, it doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about the content, it shouldn't be banned.

This is so fucked up.