Abandon Harris endorses Green Party's Jill Stein (www.middleeasteye.net)

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The Abandon Harris movement that sprouted late last year out of the widespread outrage over the Biden-Harris administration’s support for the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza has officially endorsed the Green Party’s Jill Stein for US president.

The endorsement is the first of its kind for Stein and the Green Party, with the Abandon Harris campaign being the first major Muslim-led political group to endorse her campaign this election cycle. Last month, a smaller group, the Muslim American Public Affairs Council NC, also endorsed Stein.

“We are not choosing between a greater evil and a lesser evil. We are confronting two destructive forces: one currently overseeing a genocide and another equally committed to continuing it. Both are determined to see it through,” the Abandon Harris campaign said in a statement released on Monday.

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[-] Frog@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

If Jill Stein got elected and pulled out of NATO she would be the best US President in history for the Global South. Anyone who understands and agrees with ACAB but supports NATO has no idea about how Capitalism and by extension Imperialism functions.

[-] Frog@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

Considering being in NATO protects countries from a Russian land grab like what happened in Ukraine, being part of NATO is antiimperialism.

Russia is genociding Ukrainians. They are also torturing, raping, and murdering POWs, women citizens, and children.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Please read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. We are not talking about the same thing. You are furthering my point, you do not understand NATO's purpose in solidifying Western Imperialism.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I just wish we had STAR voting so additional candidates wouldn't increase the risk of Trump winning the election. So many people are either blind to the present danger or they spread misinformation because they hate the US.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Do you believe that third party voters could be perfectly rational and not spread misinformation?

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I believe you're in the group wishing for a disastrous outcome.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Is Communism a "disastrous outcome" in your opinion, and genocide perfectly acceptable? You're being vague yet still slandering.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

No. I believe you sincerely disagree with core tenets of US government and wish the government to be dismantled.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Correct, that's the best outcome for everyone the world over, including Americans.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

You're entitled to that opinion. That's why I assumed you to be in the latter group.

I'm certainly wrong about plenty of things, but I have seen too much violence and hatred grow out of Trump's first presidency. I do not share your desires for the US.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

Trump didn't cause it, decay in Capitalism did. Trump was just a symptom of the broader problem. I am not spreading misinformation nor blind.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Ok so you don't believe you're spreading misinformation. You are, however, spreading information that seeks to undermine US government institutions.

We can debate all day, and both of us will be at least partially incorrect. Many of our problems can also be attributed to religious institutions. There is one hill I'll die on though: Trump is an evil bastard.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Ok so you don't believe you're spreading misinformation. You are, however, spreading information that seeks to undermine US government institutions.

Sure, I hate the genocidal US Empire, and want Communism. That's not "spreading misinformation."

We can debate all day, and both of us will be at least partially incorrect.

Speak for yourself.

Many of our problems can also be attributed to religious institutions

Somewhat, but generally religious "values" mold to support the Mode of Production. Religion and culture are aspects of the Superstructure that reinforces the Base, ergo the core of the issue is Capitalism.

There is one hill I'll die on though: Trump is an evil bastard.

Not once have I disagreed with that, I just extend that judgement to the US Imperial State, not Trump alone. Trump is only as powerful as he is because Capitalism is in decay, and fascism is Capitalism in decline. You can't stop fascism without stopping Capitalism.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Explain why Jill Stein got cleared by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Or can you only link a 10 year old picture over and over again? Would be great if you had anything less than 10 years old :)

Try not to project Kamala Harris being an israeli agent on a third party against Genocide.

[-] basmatii@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

Can't wait for tolerant liberals to go full mask off and claim these Muslims just must not be smart enough to realize the threat of Trump... Again.

[-] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

You don't think Trump is going to be infinitely worse than Harris on this issue in particular?

[-] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

Being murdered in a genocide seems about as worse as it can get. Would Trump reanimate the corpses and then murder them again or something?

[-] basmatii@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

It doesn't get worse than being genocided, is the point these people are making.

Both Harris and Trump, equally think Muslims and other unwanted statistically brown people deserve to be subject to genocide and are willing to commit massive amount of funds to that end.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

If Trump were doing it you might getout of your chair and materially oppose it rather than making excuses for an imagined lesser evil genocide.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Absolutely not. Historically, the DNC and GOP are in lock-step for foreign policy.

[-] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I don't think that's entirely accurate.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Why not?

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

No Trump will be exactly the same. Only the words will be different.

I do believe Jill Stein will be different though.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

They’ve been saying that for months right here on Lemmy.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

One of said liberals is malding at me right now for pointing out that they are being blatantly racist.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 9 months ago

Voting for Stein in a FPTP voting system doesn't solve the problem that's been turned into a one issue campaign slogan. Even if she was the perfect candidate. The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election, and out of those two choices, suddenly who to vote for is obvious. If it wasn't already.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election

Which is nearly impossible, ergo it isn't a solution. Revolution is necessary.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is Harris going to implement RCV? If not your argument is a red herring.

You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.

No she's not - she's a physician, not a legislator. She's not implementing anything except (hopefully) health care for her patients. She's promising to make RCV a political priority, but even if elected, the president doesn't write the laws.

And that even if is doing some heavy lifting, because it's impossible for her to get enough votes (50.01%, because a plurality goes to the legislators to decide) to win.

What she can do, is syphon enough votes from from Harris to hand the country back to Trump (who I promise you will not solve the problem of genocide in Palestine), which is why the RNC and hostile foreign powers love to prop her up

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[-] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 5 points 9 months ago

The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election

How would you propose to do that while also offering said party an unconditional vote? I'm not American, but if you have an answer it would be useful here too. Parliamentary systems end up pretty much the same.

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[-] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I voted for Howie Hawkins last time, certain in the knowlege that Biden would win, Trump would go to jail, and we could hold Biden's feet to the fire.

January 6th, and all the related bullshit that's followed, showed me that I had made a huge mistake and just got lucky when it comes to the MAGA-crowd's coup competence. I will not make that mistake again, not in this election anyways.

"Abandon Harris" is a shit campaign name. Self-aware guilt, right in the name.