"Our number one export cannot be topsoil" - Walz

That is a hell of a good line.

Electric bills are what he thinks Americans are worried about right now? Really?

Vance: “Our policies aren’t our policies. We actually support your favored policies. You’re not allowed to fact check me. I’ll go back to our real policies tomorrow.”

Maybe let’s fund national health care!

"I don't really want to talk about the 2020 election, so Google sucks and also Tulsi Gabbard and RFK, Jr. likes me."

Guns go from the US to Mexico, not the other way. Another blatant lie.

walz is getting so annoyed at vance bald face laws. vance trying to distort walzs own law. man walz is doing a good job of restraining himself though.

Morning after thoughts:

• Walz is not actually a bad debater. He's not polished and practiced, but his command of policy and numbers means he still comes across as fairly confident. He knows what he knows, and that can stand in for polish.
• Vance didn't do badly, but I genuinely can't remember any of his answers, and that's kind of weird. I think it's because he answered like he'd been raised by a generative AI instead of human parents. Seriously, can anyone actually remember anything he said, without looking it up?
• Walz had more flubs. But he also got in a lot more hits. It remains to be seen which will stick in the minds of voters more, if either.
• The lack of Trump on the stage made this one a lot more mature. It's amazing what a difference it makes when one of the debaters isn't a demented man-baby.

The way I see it, Walz's clearly superior command of policy details, and the way that fact-checkers are counting nearly everything Vance said as a lie, gives Walz the technical win, while Vance gets the nod for being more polished. In the end, I don't think this debate will matter much to the election.

Those with an interest in history might remember that back during the 1988 election, Lloyd Bentsen absolutely demolished Dan Quayle, George H.W. Bush's pick for VP, in a debate. But it was forgotten in a matter of days - if not hours - and Bush went on to win handily.

I think this debate will likely be forgotten soon, too.

"You say trust the experts, but experts are wrong sometimes and Trump thinks with his gut brain and also I have kids." -- Vance

FYI, parody accounts are firing up, don't get suckered:

Jack Kimble is a parody account.

https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1841151195198435344

California doesn't have a 54th district:

https://www.jackkimble.com/home

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_congressional_districts

How is it Kamala Harris's policies!? She's not the president! How much power does Vance think the Vice President wields!?

Jd vance: the biggest threat to democracy is censorship

Fucking wild take

Housing too expensive? DRILL BABY DRILL!!

Vance just appears like a slick televangelist. Smarmy.

Walz is knocking it out of the park on guns.

Kind of interesting that the "get under his skin" thing is kind being deployed against Walz a bit here. He's not Trump, so he's not flying off the handle, but he's losing his cool occasionally. I actually think that could work in his favor if he can channel it effectively. I think an angry Walz, within reason, could be really effective to counter robo-vance.

"Were not going to fix this listening to experts, we need to listen to common sense." - Running mate of the old man yelling about immigrants eating pets.

Fuck that "I've become friends with school shooters" misspeak is gonna be clipped to hell isn't it

I feel like Walz's answer re: The ACA is his best response so far.

you want to help people to afford babies vance. how about funding education nationally with three meals provided each day. oh and maybe healthcare. that would help.

LOL! "All Trump has said is that he wants to debate whether or not he won the 2020 election." Sure, JD. Sure.

I’m beginning to think he doesn’t even have a family… he brings them up at the weirdest times.

Fuck you, you don’t know difficult.

I don’t know how much more of Vance’s bullshit I can listen to. And especially his church bullshit. We’re not all young girls (my son is 27) wanting to be livestock in a church community. Some of us are atheists. But I guess I should just go die because I’m not useful anymore.

ok im getting some chuckles now. vance. "pamela harris as the sitting vice president". well there is a phrase you never hear because the vice president as an advisory role and to continue the polocies if they take over so its not to disruptive. my lucifer he is an idiot (yes I already knew)

Oh nice! Walz mentioned Wall Street speculators driving up housing prices. Then he literally quoted the Bible.

Does anyone think this "she's the vice president, so why didn't she implement these policies" thing convinces anyone?

Many women who want families or already have families are devastated by your draconian ‘care’.

How are you wrong? In every single way, Vance. Just like on nearly everything, you have no empathy and can only see black and white when the world is many shades of grey.

Take a shot every time Walz says something reasonable and Vance give the camera that “are you buying this shit” grin.

Did you know that JD Vance has "three beautiful kids?" Because he's told us three times. I'm wondering if he knows their names.

Immigrants making almost nothing and sending everything they make (after taxes) back home and living with 10 people in a small apartment are the problem? Not Blackrock and corporate landlords buying everything on the market?

Vance: Smoke and mirrors, we want to do better.... but we won't.

vance keeps going with that bs that obamacare was not working till trump fixed it. it was doing great till they kicked out the leg. they do need ot not allow companies to own more than one leg of healthcare though (looking at you cvs)

Vance: "We can't tell you what the concepts of the healthcare plan are because it's boring."

“Where is the firewall?!?” Well put, Walz. Well put.

Phew. This debate does not have enough pee breaks.

No kids here, but I have many nieces and nephews, and it makes me so depressed to think of a school run like a police state.