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The article is actually decently well written good-faith satire meant to address how poverty and hunger are inherent to capitalism as a system. The title was just too bold lol

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[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 179 points 1 month ago

So he's not defending/promoting "world Hunger", just arguing that it's not a bug but a feature developed to have cheap labor, and that the people in power don't want to end it

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sounds good at a glance, but when you look at the way he reaches that conclusion (that the threat of hunger is the only reason people are willing to work), and his solution (for a class of "intellectuals" like him to take charge) however, are just neoliberal swill..

[-] Dasnap@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Maybe they should build a city in the ocean where these intellectuals have full control. Maybe experiment with some cool drugs.

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Would you kindly come join us?

[-] Rudee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Sounds positively Rapturous

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Lmfao, I'd pay to watch them descend in to chaos as they insist on ranking each other by importance or whatever arbitrary measure of superiority they choose, because they simply can't function otherwise, until they all end up dead from refusing to "lower" themselves to cooperate with "inferiors".

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

There’s an event coming up in November you’re really going to enjoy.

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[-] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I imagine the UN wouldn't let an author publish something that calls for revolution though lol

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Sure, but they shouldn't be publishing this garbage either.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That would be the first time the UN actually did anything.

[-] abbiistabbii 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Usually most sane people go "Hunger is used to extract labour from people so rich people can make money, so we should change this state of affairs" not "this is good and how we should continue, in an evil usually the preserve of 19th century British Imperial officials."

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

How does the saying go? When your only tool is a hammer, every problem is a nail?

The only tool he has is what capitalism gave him - the idea that people will only work if threatened with starvation, homelessness, or other punishment.

The idea that the benefit of a community and society at large, and by direct extension - our own, could motivate people, or to be more precise, the idea that society would benefit everyone not just a "select" few, doesn't even come in to consideration.

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[-] abbiistabbii 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Isn't this what Anarchists and other Anti-capitalists have been saying for well over 100 years? That despite having the ability for abundance, we use scarcity to extract labour from people to make rich fuckers money?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Lenin made the clearest case for it in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Financial and Industrial Capital is exported directly to the sources of raw materials and lower cost of living, which is then hyper-exploited for super-profits domestically.

Even within Capitalist countries, starvation is kept dangerous because Capitalism requires a "reserve army of labor," as Marx put it. It's the idea of "if you weren't doing this job, someone would kill for it" that suppresses wages.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 72 points 1 month ago

hunger is "fundamental to the working of the world's economy"

I mean, he's probably right, but that means we should work to change the system, not throw more orphans into the crushing machine

[-] Bread@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

But the machine needs those orphans to keep going! Why would we want to deprive the system of what it needs? Won't anybody think of the shareholders!?!

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

there's no "but" -- this is exactly the point the author is making.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Won't anybody think of the employees in the orphan crushing industry?

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 month ago

Before you have an opinion on it, just read the article, it's just one page. https://www2.hawaii.edu/~kent/BenefitsofWorldHunger.pdf

The UN really shot themselves in the foot by deleting it, because the title only looks bad if you don't actually read the rest of the text, which they now made more difficult.

[-] match@pawb.social 10 points 1 month ago

they probably would've just added [SATIRE] to the title

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[-] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago

FEE is an American Libertarian think tank.

Let that help you figure out what’s actually happening here.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 month ago

Well, he's not wrong about hunger being an intended part of capitalism so workers are coerced into working for even less pay.

Calling it a "benefit" is very clickbaity though.

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

The article is NOT satire -- it's provocative. The author argues that world hunger benefits the rich. Capiche?

I hope the UN restores the article.

Interview with author: https://fee.org/articles/un-deletes-article-titled-the-benefits-of-world-hunger-was-it-real-or-satire/

[-] Generous1146@beehaw.org 24 points 1 month ago

Read that fee article as well and it seems like the author just stated, that certain institutions benefit from world hunger.

In the interview, Kent explains he was not advocating global hunger but was intending to be “provocative” by saying certain individuals and institutions benefit from global hunger.

“No, it is not satire,” Kent told Marc Morano, founder and editor of Climate Depot. “I don’t see anything funny about it. It is not about advocacy of hunger.”

It doesn't look like he's advocating for global hunger, but criticizing those who do benefit from it

[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yo I see this shit posted all the time. The article was written in 2008 for the UNs magazine and meant to be satire. It has since been removed by the UN for being ambiguous.

https://communist.red/the-benefits-of-world-hunger-un-blurs-the-line-between-satire-and-reality/

[-] match@pawb.social 14 points 1 month ago

things that were obvious satire in 2008 are ambiguous now i love 2020s capitalism

[-] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are absolutely politicians who would say this shit unironically

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

“No one works harder than hungry people”

While this is probably true, the problem is that their reward for this hard work in no way comes close to fixing their hunger problem.

Meanwhile the assholes in control of the economy and responsible for their hunger problem are taking all the rewards and hoarding it for no better reasons than to compare with other assholes.

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

To quote the article in question (highlight is my own):

"[H]ow many of us would sell our services so cheaply if it were not for the threat of hunger? When we sell our services cheaply, we enrich others, those who own the factories, the machines and the lands, and ultimately own the people who work for them. For those who depend on the availability of cheap labour, hunger is the foundation of their wealth."

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Contending that it was what, assholes?

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago
[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Y'all should actually read the article because it seems like it's saying something completely different from what OP is trying to make it sound like. Basically, if I understood correctly, Kent was being critical of the idea that market-led solutions (i.e. capitalism fixes hunger) are better than community-driven solutions. He was also saying that hunger is part of capitalism, and you'll never get rid of hunger while capitalism exists, because capitalism needs to withhold resources to force people to work.

This paragraph seems to sum up the article pretty well:

In Kent’s view, one gathers, global hunger is not a complex problem that is being addressed by free market capitalism; it’s a moral one that requires empowering intellectuals like Kent to solve it.

[-] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

And to be clear you mean the original UN article, not the article from the libertarian think tank “Foundation for Economic Education” (“FEE”)

And the UN article link (archive) is in the comments

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[-] Visstix@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He calls it "not satire" but "provocative". So he doesn't mean it, but says it to provoke a reaction... Like satire.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 points 1 month ago

It sounds like he just doesn't find it funny, which is why he doesn't want to call it satire.

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[-] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

This just feels like either

A. He doesn't fully get what satire is and assumes it has to be lighthearted or

B. He's using "provocative" to basically mean "clickbait, but I'm too pretentious to call it that"

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[-] TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[-] chamomile@furry.engineer 11 points 1 month ago

@sharkfucker420 It's a good thing "A Modest Proposal"[1] wasn't titled "The Benefits of Cannibalism" because I guess people would have taken that at face value as well.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Even if this article was some sort of thought experiment, what the fuck value does it have? Even if the outcome was very much “I’m against this,” I’m not sure what the point is, unless it does a good job of explaining what kind of fucked up things this has lead to in society (like sweat shops and modern day slavery). Even then, this kind of nonsense serves wealthy scum.

Edit: the article is very much satire. Thanks for the added context and commentary!

[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

It’s satire. And it’s apparently doing its job swimmingly because people are on here talking about it.

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago

I think about this all the time.

All the "just a prank" folks.

All the "I'm just asking questions" folks.

The "It's just a thought experiment" folks.

[-] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"a modest proposal" was another banger on a similar topic

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 5 points 1 month ago

I’ve seen it firsthand from people before and I’m just like… why? Why do you think this way? It’s just cowardice at the end of the day. They’ll say those things because it’s an easy escape from being called out for having fucked views that allow fascism and corporate interests to flourish.

“I’m just asking questions” is so fucking annoying. You and I both know you’re not and you’re trying to frame this like you’re not the sociopath in this situation. It’s so disingenuous.

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