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submitted 3 weeks ago by Bunny19@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

so a common claim I see made is that arch is up to date than Debian but harder to maintain and easier to break. Is there a good sort of middle ground distro between the reliability of Debian and the up-to-date packages of arch?

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[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Atomic distros + distrobox/toolbx. Bluefin is a good start for general desktop or Bazzite for gaming (But Bluefin can be more stable, I use it for some games with steam in flatpak). If something breaks roll back to any release in the last 90 days with a single command. Install all of your packages in a distrobox (Arch if you need it). Otherwise in general Fedora is pretty good.

[-] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

+1 for bazzite, if I wasn't a NixOS cultist it's probably what I'd still be daily driving. Stable, easy rollbacks, keeps itself updated as long as you reboot now and then. Just a great experience all around.

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

Manjaro has been specifically designed to have fresh packages (sourced from Arch) but to be user friendly, long term stable, and provide as many features as possible out of the box.

It requires some compromises in order to achieve this, in particular it wants you to stick to its curated package repo and a LTS kernel and use it's helper apps (package/kernel/driver manager) and update periodically. It won't remain stable if you tinker with it.

You'll get packages slower than Arch (depending on complexity, Plasma 6 took about two months, typically it's about two weeks) but faster than Debian stable.

I'm running it as my main driver for gaming and work for about 5 years now and it's been exactly what I wanted, a balanced mix of rolling and stable distro.

I've also given it to family members who are not computer savvy and it's been basically zero maintenance on my part.

If it has one downside is that you really have to leave it alone to do its thing. In that regard it takes a special category of user to enjoy it — you have to either be an experienced user who knows to leave it alone or a very basic user who doesn't know how to mess with it. The kind of enthusiastic Linux user who wants to tinker will make it fall apart and hate it, and they'd be happier on Arch or some of the other distros mentioned here.

[-] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

or you could use a distro made by competent people and that actually serves the purpose Manjaro claims to have.

You really shouldn't go for Arch & derivatives if you don't want to fiddle with your system (the whole point of Arch & co) and really want stability (not that arch is that unstable tbh as long as you manage it proprely). Manjaro included. In fact especially manjaro since it manages to be less stable than Arch specifically because of their update policy. I mean why even be on Arch if you can't use the AUR and have the latest packages?

Aside from this and maybe a few others there isn't really a wrong distro to choose, better alternatives would be NixOS (stable), Fedora, Debian testing and probably several other distros that you probably should avoid for being one-man projects or stuff.

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fedora, Ubuntu etc. use up to date packages if you're using flatpaks and snaps. Nix I suppose fits the bill better but it's a harder distro to "learn" than arch imo

How about Rhino? Rolling release of Debian Sid iirc

[-] gandalf_der_12te 4 points 3 weeks ago

IMO Debian is already pretty far middle-ground. The packages are new enough for my personal usage.

[-] ScottE@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Arch is not harder to maintain nor is it easier to break, that's a myth. If anything, it's the opposite, as a rolling release stays up to date, though it relies on the user keeping it up to date. If you get lazy with updates, then yes, you are going to have problems eventually.

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say Fedora is the middle-ground. You get up-to-date software in a stable distribution with daily security updates, and fixed OS upgrades each year.

[-] overload@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

Opensuse tumbleweed. The packages go through a testing process unlike Fedora AFAIK.

[-] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Several months ago I installed Tumbleweed on a VM just for kicks and giggles. A week later it refused to install updates at all due to some weird conflict, even though the system was vanilla to the goddamn wallpaper. In a week I try upgrading and magically the conflict is gone. I'll be honest, this was my only experience with Tumbleweed and it managed to have its update system broken in the meantime. I've never had anything close to this on Debian Unstable lol.

Not hating on Tumbleweed, on the contrary - I have been testing it for quite a while to see if it's as good as they say. But it doesn't look like a middle ground between Arch and Debian. At least in my short experience.

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[-] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sure I'll get shouted down for this suggestion by the haters, but I'm going to make it anyway because it's actually really good:

Use an Ubuntu LTS flavour like Kubuntu. Then, add flatpak and for apps you want to keep up to date, install either the flatpak or the snap, depending on the particular app. In my personal experience, sometimes the flatpak is better and sometimes the snap is better. (I would add Nix to the mix, but I wouldn't call it particularly easy for beginners.)

This gets you:

  1. A reliable Debian-like base that you only have to upgrade to new releases every 2 years
  2. Up-to-date apps, including confinement for those apps
  3. New kernels every 6 months (if you choose - you don't have to, though)
[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ubuntu not only lacks some basic packages but they make apt install them with snap instead.

I would go Debian testing as it has a huge selection of apps and has good support for Flatpak (like pretty much all Linux as Flatpak is build on standard kernel components)

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I like manjaro. It has been my most consistent with my nvidia hardware.

Not gonna act like I'm an expert or anything but manjaros been great for me. Tried fedora, mint, Debian, garuda, endeavor, maybe some others forgetting

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[-] ChickenPasaran@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Debian with Flatpak and a Distrobox container running Arch is pretty good if you want a stable desktop with rolling packages.

[-] PancakeBrock@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using Arch for a year and nothing has broken. Did have to "fix" a lot of stuff after install because it was my first time using Arch and didn't realize all the other stuff I had to install... Mainly to get my Nvidia GPU to work. But a few hours later and it's been rock solid since.

[-] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago

Debian Testing.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Garuda. It's an Arch derivative that creates a snapshot of your system every time you update. That way, if the update breaks something, you can just roll your system back to the last working snapshot.

[-] BelatedPeacock@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My recommendation would be Debian + Flatpak & Appimages (or + Snaps if you're the devil). Super stable, but also access to the latest.

Fedora is also a middle ground too, but they're pushing flatpaks heavily so it might not matter anyway since Fedora + flatpak and Debian + flatpak are about the same.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Fedora is pretty good there, but I wouldnt use the DNF variants.

The atomic variants though totally rock. Atomic Desktops, IoT, etc.

The atomic model deals with all the troubles you would have with so new packages.

OpenSUSE slowroll would be a better middle-ground, but I have had strange broken packages and they dont have a useful atomic model, as it is not image-based.

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