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An old comic still relevant (discuss.tchncs.de)

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[-] SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 month ago

As someone who has a big guilty pleasure for sports/performance cars and racing in general, this comic actually explains really well how I'm able to reconcile that with my dislike of car-centric infrastructure and wishing for better public transportation: without other means for getting around cities for people who don't care much about cars (i.e. most people), everyone will be forced to use cars for basic transport, meaning really clogged highways and traffic jams that directly affect you and your fancy sports car's enjoyment.

Conversely, if infrastructure was more accommodating for bikes, trains and buses to make them more viable, most people would use them, leaving the streets and highways freer for you to have fun driving your sports car the way it was meant to, instead of being stuck in traffic jams most of the time.

I just wish most people who are into cars realized this, instead of raving about how "they want to take away our cars!" and fellating Andrew Tate and other shitheads.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Why aren't sport cars rented instead of sold? Only place you can really use them is the race track.

[-] Two2Tango@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

Lots of racetracks sell packages like this, pay $$ to take out a certain car or groups of cars. But for lots of people it's just as much about the tuning/improving of their own car as it is about the driving.

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[-] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

Au contraire, my Fuck Cars fellow. A sports car's agile handling and peppy acceleration are enjoyable even at street legal speeds. They are of course most enjoyable when driven nearer to the limits at a track, but most stock "sports cars" require some modifications to be reliably driven under such intense conditions.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

think, for a moment, about the world you're leaving to the future.

is it really worth peppy acceleration when you KNOW that is wasteful and literally costing your children? Because that's who's gonna pay that bill. Not you or me. Our kids and grandkids.

cars for fun made sense before we understood the actual costs.

these days it just seems gross, you got yours, fuck everyone else.

[-] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm happy to spend my carbon budget on an occasional Sunday cruise with the top down on a sunny afternoon, rather than overseas holidays, excessive consumption, etc. I don't commute by car, I ride my bike as much as possible, and I advocate for improved public transit infrastructure in my community, which all have a far greater impact than my ~460 kg/year of CO2 from my joyrides.

Isn't the more significant problem that the 98% of motorists who don't give a rat's ass about the driving experience, are effectively forced to drive when they could be taking alternative transport, if the infrastructure supported it?

Please, for the love of God, quadruple the carbon tax and invest it all in public transit, so that cars are treated like the luxury they should be.

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[-] lone_faerie 39 points 1 month ago

I feel like a more accurate (though much less catchy) name for this community would be !fuckcarcentricsociety. Cars are awesome! They're fun to drive, feats of engineering, and in the right conditions like a rollercoaster without tracks. They just fucking suck when they're practically required to live. I'm as big a proponent for public transit, you shouldn't need a car to get to your job or grocery store, but you can't look at something like F1 and say that's not exhilarating.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

but you can’t look at something like F1 and say that’s not exhilarating.

strong disagree. perhaps in the 60s and 70s - before we understood that ICE was spewing carbon dioxide and ruining the ecosystem sure.

Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.

If it were all electric powered by renewable resources harvested nearby I'd have less of an issue, but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children. "Sorry skippy, even we knew, we still didn't give a fuck to stop the silly games."

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.

While I don't disagree that spectating races is boring, the amount of CO2 those put out pale in comparison to commutator traffic or the container ships running bunker fuel. We could have EV races and if each manufacturer entered their base models, could help with adoption. We could also make the ICE races run biogas(methane from antibiotic digesters) or biodiesel(tractor pulls could easily adopt that with only a small lowering of performance that all the tractors would share).

but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children.

All consumption is.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

All consumption is.

consumption for production is one thing, entirely optional, benefitting only one party entertainment coming at the cost of everyone else?

that's a dick move.

[-] lone_faerie 9 points 1 month ago

The emissions from 20 cars driving in circles for a few hours a week could continue until the end of humanity and still be just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of damage the production industry has done up to this point.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

bud the bucket overflowed a long, long time ago. now it's pouring over the rim, and you're like: eh, it's just a few thousand tons of CO2 every year, for funsies, it won't matter.

it all matters. you're just too vroom vroom to fucking care.

[-] lone_faerie 8 points 1 month ago

The emissions from the cars themselves isn't even 2000 tons of CO2. That's 1/200000 of 1% of annual emissions. If you're that concerned, you shouldn't be on this site because the server, your computer, and your router are all adding CO2 to the atmosphere.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

it all matters. you’re just too vroom vroom to fucking care.

[-] lone_faerie 7 points 1 month ago

Then you better not live in a house, turn your lights on, use your computer, go to the grocery store, go see a movie, go to a concert, buy anything at all, travel any other way than by foot. Or you could put your effort into something that'll actually make a difference.

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[-] lone_faerie 7 points 1 month ago

I agree the environmental impacts are certainly an issue, but the emissions from the sport alone aren't that bad, the worst is from all the travel done on private jets between locations. They've also done some work towards being more eco-friendly. The cars run hybrid V6s instead of V10s and by 2026 will use fully renewable biofuel. There's also Formula E, which is an entirely electric motorsport.

There's just some things an ICU can do that an electric motor can't. It's simply impossible to get the same amount of power as an F1 car from purely electric propulsion at the same weight.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

so you know it's a problem, you know the sport's total footprint is the cause, you even point out THEY know it's wretched and are making half hearted efforts to someday maybe do something.

but you give them your attention.

There’s just some things an ICU can do that an electric motor can’t.

but it's entertainment, not some mission critical life saving thing, it's to watch cars go fast driving in circles.

fuck me, our civilization deserves to collapse.

[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

we deserve to collapse because we like to be entertained?

i wonder if what you used to type and send this comment onto the internet uses any sort of battery

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

we deserve to collapse because we like to be entertained?

when the specific entertainment is dicking around the ONLY FUCKIN' ATMOSPHERE WE HAVE yeah I think so.

you like the taste of smog? or is it simping for petroleum companies?

Or is the attraction fracking?

Watching the poles melt in real time?

Come on man, which is the part that gives you the entertainment?

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[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 7 points 1 month ago

It's not even car centric in the US or you would have way more roundabouts instead of traffic lights.

I don't know what the US is, but it's shitty for everyone, including cars. The difference is, that cars are comfortable to sit in, but the actual driving is a nightmare compared to Europe. (And walking half a mile in the summer sun from the car to the stadium on a concrete parking lot should be attributed to car centric infrastructure too).

[-] __dev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That's simply the paradox of car-centric design: It also sucks for cars. The only way to actually make driving better is to provide viable alternatives.

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[-] Mac@mander.xyz 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Alternative opinion:
Car companies should stop making normal cars and instead only make hardcore vehicles. I'm talking race cars that are challenging and uncomfortable to drive.
manual only, aggressive clutches, loud gears, stiff suspension, non-adjustable seat, no heat, no ac, no radio, etc.

Then while they're making this change we expand the shit out of mass transport and infrastructure!

I can assure you that nobody wants to daily drive my race car. lol

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

I want all of those things. I can assure you, I want to drive a V8 loud as fuck, manual thick clutched, wide tired, non AC, non radio, rear wheel drive, fucking street menace of a vehicle.

But I also want an absolute rehaul of our infrastructure to include high speed rail for the entire country, and comprehensive pricing that is subsidized by the government with my tax money and provided for free if I need it.

[-] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You don't take responsibility nor pay for the externalities

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[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

As someone whose only car is a Honda S2000... yeah kinda.

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

The groceries in the passenger seat are a nice touch, because of course there's gonna be no trunk space.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Instead of a macho man forging their destiny, it is a woman, given that it is the 70s, likely a housewife, coming home from grocery shopping.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I love the groceries in the front seat because there's no room anywhere else.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Even though some sort of trunk or storage could totally fit without increasing the vehicle volume.

[-] Doxatek@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

How I felt last week in my busted up 350k miles shitbox when there was a Lamborghini and Ferrari beside me crawling through traffic. Even once we were out of gridlock their average speed was probably the exact same as mine. My car costs probably 500 dollars and there's cost literally a 1000 times more than that. Made me feel good. Also made me feel like ramming them just because

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

As it turns out, road speed is limited by laws, safety and traffic, not the HP of your car engine.

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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

That's what I tell people. The reality of driving sucks. You might be in love with your fantasy of a 500 HP beast, but

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

meanwhile on an open mountain road on a Sunday afternoon

"Woooooo!!!!!"

Where you're driving is as important as what. You'd love to drive a Civic Type R.

In a hospital? Maybe not.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

1969 and it is still relevant.

[-] orl0pl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
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