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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 month ago

They still build the only real EV truck though

[-] invertedspear@lemm.ee 35 points 1 month ago

I get the criticism of the cyber truck, and the hummer EV is ridiculous, but why do the R1T and Silverado EV not count as trucks? R1T is an expensive but great midsize go anywhere truck. Silverado EV is a range king and a little flat looking, but still 100% “truck”. Lightning is just the all around best value of a truck. I say this as a lightning owner, there are options in this market.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Only one of the three is body on frame and it's Ford's

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh my that damage control speech from Ford the article was forced to include does not work in the direction they hope it does.

There is actual fear to be perceived as Incompetent in there.

The reporters did very little to sugarcoat that they got told to edit it. Basically a copyPaste of fords demands of what needed to be talked about

[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It was a quote from them....

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

An assessment of the global electric vehicle market and Ford merited one lukewarm, brief sentence. At the time, Farley was the Executive Vice President and President of Global Markets. If that sounds like a job that would require paying close attention to China’s reality and increasing competitiveness, it is. If that sounds like a job that should understand disruptive innovation’s death knell for firms like Ford, it is. If that sounds like a job that should have been creating strategy to deal with the reality of China’s emerging electric vehicle juggernaut, it is.

Auto industry mismanagement is redundant.

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

It was crazy visiting China last year. The EVs that everyday people are driving feel so polished and futuristic in many ways.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  • The arrogance of seeing only established manufacturers.
  • The self-centeredness of assuming US and European are the only markets that matter, and product mix in US is more profitable.
  • The instant gratification of not thinking beyond quarterly financials.
  • The lack of knowledge of his own business and how to fit engineering timelines into marketing timelines
[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 19 points 1 month ago

Lol, the corrections... "We didn't sleep, we sold 5 cars!"

They are still sleeping. The petrol corruption runs so deep, it will the downfall of the western industry.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

He was not alone in his sleep. Volkswagen and Mercedes have been sleeping about as deep and long.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

Mercedes has just increased the speed limit for their level 3 self driving system to 95km/h, which means you can legally read a book or watch a movie while the car drives on the Autobahn.

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[-] mostNONheinous@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Wish we still had Chris Farley around instead of his dumbass brother…seriously this is Chris Farley’s brother.

[-] mxcory 13 points 1 month ago

Looked it up, wiki says cousin.

[-] mostNONheinous@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh shit, good call. It’s been awhile since I heard about Jim here and I guess since they have a bit of a shared resemblance my brain just decided they were bros.

[-] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

China makes everything better & cheaper, not just cars.

[-] mindlight@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

That's not how you spell "Xinjang camps" ...

[-] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago
[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thank you for the reference link.

China has one hell of a note on that page:

b. See info about additional detainees, and alleged detainees, at Re-education through labor, Laogai, and Xinjiang internment camps.

[-] LouNeko@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's no way in Hell a country with a population in the billions has lower incarnation numbers than one with a few hundred million. That is just statistically impossible. It all comes down to what you count as incarnated. This is like the US "solving" its unemployment crisis by not counting people who think about maybe looking for work sometime as not unemployed. These numbers are self reported, so they should be taken with a big grain of salt.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because China executes at a rate 100x the US, that we know of, believed to be 1000x.

No person, no prisoner. --Stalin

Also, Tibet and Xinjiang.

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[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

You mean cheaper and worse, there are little to no regulations and if there are any, inspectors are paid off as China is corrupt AF. and the cheaper part is because the general factory workers are kept extremity poor to uphold the cheap labor, next to the Uyghurs in concentration camps who are forced to work for free. There are no rights or regulations for factory workers, so no protective clothing or gear, no safe work environment, while working with extremity toxic materials as those are cheaper then the safer alternatives. Working 12 to 16 hours per day, as young as 8 years old, 6 to 7 days a week, no sick days, no holidays. There is no quality control. There is media control, so every online post of a spontaneously combusted EV, which are maaaaany, is removed.

So you confuse quality with quantity. Yeah, it's cheaper. But at what cost. Not just the lives of the Chinese workers, those toxins are also in the products we use.

[-] exanime@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not necessarily. China makes all the fancy stuff Americans are super proud of.

If safety were a real issue, the gov wouldn't have attempted to ban them based on tariffs

Ps: your entire first paragraph could have been about American meat processors and I wouldn't have noticed

Lol their entire comment reads like a mishmash fever-dream of state department prop. I can't even in this thread mannn ill leave these folks to to you.

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think you got something mixed up there. The saying does not go:

If you want it to last, buy made in China!

It goes:

Buying cheap is buying twice

And China really sells the cheapest crap there is. It isn't even a competition.

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Until the brand goes poof because China didn't like something they did and poof; now you have a ghost car. Good luck finding repair parts for your car; and fixing the server connection required features

[-] exanime@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You are correct, but that has happened with American brands (even cars) before

At half the price of other EVs, I bet an entire new class of service stores, half mechanic shop, half third party parts, half mods, would spring into existence if these cars are allowed in the market

Instead, we protect the horrible local brands

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

American manufacturers need to provide parts for 10 years after the last of the same model car rolled off the assembly line. Good luck forcing Chinese brands to respect that.

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[-] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

never had this experience before.

But I had exactly this issue many times with Google cancelling stuff I like.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It says they went to China in 2023 though?

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