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Instagram makes all teen accounts private - npr (lemmy.autism.place)

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Meta's has been listening to some concerns after all especially now after some pressure.

These changes very well could help parents moderate their teens. Meta's head of product says these changes address particular 3 concerns in an Npr interview.

Will this be the end of the complaints and concerns geared towards Instagram, probably not.

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[+] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 139 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago

as someone from the 80's I'm offended somehow.

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

70s checking in, whippersnapper.

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[-] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago

I still always say I was born in the 80s out of habit...

I always say 1900 out of habit.... I was at least once rejected as too old :D

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Lego is serious about those 4-99 age limits, huh?

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago

If I get offered the whole calendar, I will use the whole calendar!

[-] desktop_user 5 points 10 months ago

are you a February 29 1900 enjoyer?

[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

That's ageist. I maintain my god given right to lie about being the oldest person on earth.

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Nothing beats 1970-01-01.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

If you're 25 now, you were 15 during the early wild west days of smartphone adoption, while we as a society were just figuring that stuff out.

Since that time, the major tech companies that control a big chunk of our digital identities have made pretty big moves at recording family relationships between accounts. I'm a parent in a mixed Android/iOS family, and it's pretty clear that Apple and Google have it figured out pretty well: child accounts linked to dates of birth that automatically change permissions and parental controls over time, based on age (including severing the parental controls when they turn 18). Some of it is obvious, like billing controls (nobody wants their teen running up hundreds of dollars in microtransactions), app controls, screen time/app time monitoring, location sharing, password resets, etc. Some of it is convenience factor, like shared media accounts/subscriptions by household (different Apple TV+ profiles but all on the same paid subscription), etc.

I haven't made child accounts for my kids on Meta. But I probably will whenever they're old enough to use chat (and they'll want WhatsApp accounts). Still, looking over the parent/child settings on Facebook accounts, it'll probably be pretty straightforward to create accounts for them, link a parent/child relationship, and then have another dashboard to manage as a parent. Especially if something like Oculus takes off and that's yet another account to deal with paid apps or subscriptions.

There might even be network effects, where people who have child accounts are limited in the adult accounts they can interact with, and the social circle's equilibrium naturally tends towards all child accounts (or the opposite, where everyone gets themselves an adult account).

The fact is, many of the digital natives of Gen Alpha aren't actually going to be as tech savvy as their parents as they dip their toes into the world of the internet. Because they won't need to figure stuff out on their own to the same degree.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

It works well...when a parent makes an account for the express purpose of parental controls. The "issue" are the fake accounts (i.e. "finstas") that the kids make themselves in which they lie about their age.

Also, side note, Googles child accounts work OK, I would not say they've got it on lock. Did you know if you get your kids a debit card and they're under 13 Google will NOT allow them to add it as their own payment method no matter what consent I'm willing to give to them?

Yea, I had to do a parent sanctioned age-lie to Google so now Google thinks my kids are all 13+ just so I could do the extreme thing of teaching them money responsibilities in an age of digital transactions SMDH

Because they won't need to figure stuff out on their own to the same degree.

Lol they will the second they get hit with that "you need to get parental consent" screen, that's how it happened to us all.

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[-] garretble@lemmy.world 94 points 10 months ago

I’m glad nearly every word in this image is highlighted so I’d know what to read.

(I’m just joshin’)

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

HI JUST JOSHIN I'M WOGI

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Seriously what is this crap

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I think it's an AI summary (if you read just the highlighted part)

[-] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 3 points 10 months ago

It's not an ai summary because if it was the wording would had been different from the article. The content featured in the screenshot is from the article and I manually draw attention to parts I am interested in and also to narrow things down. I started highlighting instead of redacting just so people wouldn't say i'm censoring.

For those who think it's an ai summary idk what to tell you.

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 35 points 10 months ago

I'm personally on the fence about this type of stuff. On one hand, yes I 100% agree about actually keeping kids safer online (not like the politicians "Think of the kids!" type of "safety"). On the other I don't want anyone to have to give up privacy by having to confirm their age by sending some form of verification, whether that picture/video of ID with birth date on it or having an AI that will inevitably get so many false positives judge you, just to access a service online.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago

I'm 100% in the second camp. Facebook having my ID is a much bigger issue than having my kids' profile be public. I as a parent can ensure my kids' profiles are acceptable, or mark them as private myself. I can't ensure Facebook deletes my ID after verifying my identity.

Yes, kids should be safer online, and that starts at home. Educate parents and kids about how to stay safe, that's as far as it should go.

[-] domdanial@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

I'm also in the second camp. Plus, censoring the bad words on specific users is a few too many steps closer to don't say gay on the internet. Is ass ok but not fuck? Is sex talk forbidden? All mention of anatomy, including general questions about health? How about they ban anti-capitalist language too? The tiktok language phenomenon shows that users will absolutely just make do getting around communication bans, "unalive" and "le$beans" being the most popular. This type of censorship has already happened on other platforms, and it's all bullshit and useless.

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

The obvious answer is that Facebook should not be used by anyone, ever. The model is cancer, whatever FB does of value for the user can be accomplished without a social media platform.

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Choice becomes much, much harder once you listen to accounts about CSAM. Darknet Diaries has a few episodes on this. Some accounts are stomach churning. You can see reasoning of people pushing for the laws

And I agree. Education would go a long way. Much further than some ID verification.

But, see, education makes people smarter. What if people see through the lies of politicians?!

Both politicians and agencies are drooling at the thought of such laws. Because no one answers one simple aspect the people want answered. Who watches the watchers? Who are they accountable to?

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[-] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 10 months ago

Anything to prevent getting my i.d in a database, i would actually be ok with using an ai to verify my age by my appearance if it really came down to it and I had to choose legally some form of age verification.

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[-] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago

...as private as an Instagram account can be, anyway.

[-] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Thank god they're filtering out the bad no-no words! Finally teens won't be using naughty and scary words any longer because forbidding words that make us sad and upset is a sensible and smart thing to do! Fuck these shitty networks policing every aspect of speech with a humongous camel dick!

Also, if everything is highlighted, nothing is highlighted. Be more reasonable with your highlights.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 10 months ago

As a user of bionic reading, wtf did you do to your text

[-] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'm not sure. People are calling it highlighting, but it doesn't fit any reasonable pattern to have been manually highlighted. Is there some sort of bad automated highlighting? Or just someone still learning what highlighting is even used for. Or is it just some sort of style thing?

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

They know their network is harmful to teens for years now, I wonder why NOW they are finally doing something about it?

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 10 months ago

They are not. They just make it look like they care, but nothing actually changes

[-] sag@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

Wait, There are Teens who don't private their accounts? That's wierd.

[-] desktop_user 7 points 10 months ago

the weirder thing is teens using their real identity online at all.

[-] sag@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Agree, I never used my real name anywhere.

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[-] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 5 points 10 months ago

They have an account their parents can see and private accounts

[-] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 10 months ago

Not really, teenagers naturally want to socialize. It's pretty normal. Is it the best thing? no.

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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

This has all happened before and it will all happen again. This is what it looks like when a social media company tries to head off an incoming regulatory push.

[-] corroded@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Social media companies, adult websites, whatever, can try to find ways to block children from accessing their content, but kids will always find a way around it.

It's the parents' responsibility to control their children. I've said 1000 times, children don't need access to smartphones and tablets. A desktop PC or laptop with strict parental controls is adequate enough for school work, learning about technology, and some basic entertainment.

When a child is old enough to work and pay for a smartphone themselves, then they're old enough to have a smartphone. A prepaid flip phone with basic voice and SMS is more than enough for a 15-year-old.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

but kids will always find a way around it.

🔄

A desktop PC or laptop with strict parental controls is adequate enough

You made an infinite loop and the process has hung.

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[-] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 5 points 10 months ago

Only took them 14 years, lol

[-] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

That's... a good thing. Tzuky? Are you ok?

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Trying to avoid regulations of course.

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[-] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

How are they going to identify who are teens?

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[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

At least it’s a step in the right direction. Especially since they’ve been extremely evil when it comes to teens. Tho I’m sure they’ll figure out how to continue to be evil with these restrictions/guidelines in place.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

“If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you jump off too?”

Glad we found the answer to that parental koan.

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