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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by CoolBeance@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

In the past, we've had issues with women suffrage, slavery, and sanitation, among many other things.

Today we have gun control, AI, intended/unintended false information, vaccines, etc. as consistently hot topics.

In a few decades' time, what views do you have now that may spark major social debate in the future? What conservative and/or progressive stances do you take today that might be too far on either extreme in the far future?

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[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago

The right to privacy. Just because I don't want someone watching me 24/7 doesn't mean I'm up to no good

[-] legion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Have you started making trouble in your neighborhood?

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Well I got into one little fight, and my mom got scared

[-] kraftpudding@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, but I think anything related to animal rights and eating meat will probably be controversial in the future. We can lab grow meat, but you still choose to kill an actual animal for food? Canceled in 2050. Rightfully so I'd even say.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I think most of us meat eaters are in that boat honestly, I like eating it but I'd be much happier if I knew it was cruelty free or outright lab grown. The holdouts are just going to be weirdos and/or rich people.

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[-] limeaide@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I agree, and I wonder when stuff like this will begin to happen.

Also, I think that once the average person finds out just how smart aquatic life is, we will look back at stuff like sea world with more disgust than we already do.

[-] kraftpudding@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think it will be within a generation or two.

I know, grandpa eats real meat, that's not nice and i don't want you to do it, but he grew up in another time, so we have to make allowances.

[-] Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I had a very awkward moment when I was talking about how intelligent octopus obviously are, and looked down and remembered I was in the middle of eating takoyaki ๐Ÿ˜“. I just want lab grown meat ASAP.

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Yeah I'm not a vegetarian, but if lab grown meat were widely available at a reasonable price I'd think a little poorly of people that went out of their way to eat the remains of a sentient being instead.

I've already swapped a lot of my meat consumption to meat alternatives like beyond meat and impossible and so on

[-] zefiax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's really hard to give up meat completely for me so I am trying to at least cut back by eating meat only every other day. Hopefully we can just move to lab grown meat that's not detrimental to the environment so that I can enjoy meat without guilt again.

[-] KittenBiscuits@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago

A person's right to assisted suicide.

A few countries have this already, and I think 1 or 2 states may have it decriminalized. But I wish it were less of a taboo subject.

It's ok and even seen as being responsible when we make these decisions for our pets, yet if you want to make the same decision for yourself, you must not be thinking straight.

I have not had and do not have thoughts of suicide, but I have been caregiver to several family members and been witness to the end of life stage.

We should be able to decide for ourselves at a certain point that it's time to go.

[-] zefiax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

We have it in Canada. Conservatives hate it and love to point to a small percentage of abuse of the option however it has really helped alleviate stresses for families and people suffering from terminal illness.

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The ever encroaching "tough on crime" stance. Politicians push to make more and more things criminal and with worsening penalties. Many punishments seem disproportionately cruel or long for the crime. It's political suicide to say that we should treat our felons better or to reduce sentencing right now.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I fervently believe that the best if not only way to reliably reduce crime (including that committed by abusive cops) is restorative justice, but the vast majority of people still consider the necessity of penal justice (and in some places like the US even penal SLAVERY) to be so absolute that it might as well be a law of nature rather than the system that best serves the rich and powerful.

[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

You habe to have both. People mold their behavior around incentive structures. If you give them the incentive to commit crime, they will commit crime. If you give them the incentive to do better, they will do better.

Then again you also shouldn't have bullshit laws that punish people for things that hurt no one but themselves, like the war on drugs. If they do something to hurt someone while doing drugs, that's what we have all the other laws for.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You really don't have to have both, though.

Incarceration and (in especially barbaric jurisdictions) penal slavery, torture, and state-sanctioned murder are largely ineffective disincentives against doing bad or otherwise undesirable behaviour that do nothing to incentivise good or otherwise desirable behaviour.

In fact, they often directly or indirectly CAUSE more of the former while making the latter much more difficult if not impossible.

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[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Humans aren't the only species that have a right to the planet's resources.

[-] jman6495@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Circumcision is immoral, religion can be a serious social harm, the use of AI in art should be prohibited or at least frowned upon

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Disability rights, equal access to nutrition (not just edible items but actually nutritious food), equal access to electricity especially for cooling.

I suspect the resource wars will ramp up with climate change, driving a lot of international conflict of all types.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Religion gas to go. The way we rarm animals is barbaric. People should be able to pull the plug if they don't want to live anymore.

[-] Venator@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Once lab grown meat is common, farms will seem even more cruel to people of the future.

I know religion seems like an obvious scapegoat for a lot of problems, but gassing them seems a bit extreme ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿคฃ

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 year ago

Or maybe they wanted to be able to huff religion gas at home rather than at the restaurant/church?

First it's religion gas to go, then religion gas drive-ins and the next thing you know, people will be reheating religion gas in their own microwave, almost completely cutting profiteering billionaires out of the process!

[-] wmrch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is an old one for many countries...but I fear a housing crisis in Germany.

Right now it's not as prevalent as in the us for example but there are no steps taken to prevent it becoming a major social issue.

  • Construction industry suffers from high prices and a lack of workforce
  • The only housing that is being worked on are luxury properties
  • Infrastructure development in rural areas where housing is still affordable is not progressing
  • Regulations and hurdles for new buildings are more difficult and complex than anywhere else
  • Real estate ownership is often only possible through inheritance/generational wealth, as income is extremely highly taxed
[-] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Looks familiar. We already have the same issue in The Netherlands (Hi neighbour).

1st time buyers can't get a house as they are to expensive, current owners can't move on as they 1st need to sell before they can buy something (and hope that the selling prize covers the mortgage costs), social letting (entry level) has an issue with availability of houses and most others for the letting market are in the unregulated market and those houses are being sold off as the letting out of houses in that market is being regulated so much that it's not economical anymore.

On top of that, it's to expensive to build new houses and the country is already needs 1m houses in the next few years. Due to this the right wing is hammering on stopping refugees entering the country when they are about 5% of the immigration issue. (expats are the other 95%)

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[-] xylogx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If someone injures you through a false statement of fact you can sue them for libel.

It is hard to do more than that without encroaching on free speech: people are entitled to their opinions. That said , free speech is not absolute and has linits.

[-] Stegget@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Slander is when damage is spoken. Libel involves dissemination through print or writing.

[-] SlothMama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's lying about you, I think they also mean lying to you.

[-] Lith@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Well there's also things like fraud, perjury, false statements, and lying to hinder an investigation.

[-] 667@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Seems like conspiracy statutes tend to cover lying pretty well, and lying under oath is perjury. What other ways could lying be covered?

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[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, not that far into the future I think more and more people will be consuming various forms of media acknowledging in very scientific and real terms the end of the human race.

All the attempts at curbing global climate change will finally be acknowledged as being a pipe dream and even the ultra wealthy will come to see that they won't survive in their bunkers and instead will die like the rest of us.

I also hold a very dark view that the end of human existence is not the end of human suffering, but that's a tale for another day.

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[-] Imbrex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Obesity is unhealthy

[-] PaperTowel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I love fishing recreationally but I could totally understand if it became totally taboo in the future.

[-] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

My hope is politicians and, overall, rich people and corporations getting away with everything. It's crazy what money ans influence can do to cover up/minimize the damages that people and corps should receive for doing the shit they do just for profit and personal interests.

[-] CharAhNalaar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Here's an issue that people won't talk about that they need to: the right to commit crimes. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's immoral, and the growing belief on multiple fronts that a criminal justice system should be "perfect" is what's driving a lot of the erosion of privacy rights, among other things.

[-] Lumun@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

I think in the near term there will be a lot more discourse about fatphobia/body types as a protected class.

In the longer term, I think history will look back at current factory farming as absolutely barbaric.

[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Almost all our social systems are built on the young providing for the old under the assumtion of generations growing. The population collapse we're currently starting will be the biggest issue in the future. (alongside the loneliness epidemic, but that's a different issue entirel)

We're in for a like a 45% reduction in generation size each generation. And this trend is only increasing rapidly. All the causes of this are deeply entrenched economically and socially, so we won't be able to turn them around on a dime.

Unless we find some social, economic or technological solutions, we are all majorly screwed. Eveyone who won't die within the next 30 years or so will be majorly affected by it.

And no, immigration can't fix it long term, because all the rest of the world is experiencing the same thing. They are just at different stages. India, China, the Americas, Europe are below replacement rate and dropping. All the other regions are are slightly above replacement rates and dropping, except Sub-Saharan Africa. Sub-Saharan African women are having one less child every 10 years, so they will be below replacement rates within a generation. More and more people having internet access will only rapidly increase these trends.

So in 20-30 years, it'll be a zero sum game who can most effectively steal each other's populations.

The only groups that are still growing normally are highly conservative religious groups. Israel is one of the only developed countries that still have normal fertility rates, and they are slowly being taken over by the ultra orthodox.

Maybe life extension or AI can save us, while generally keeping the social order in tact. But all the other solutions don't look very appealing. You could have A Handmaiden's Tale, or government/corpo created babies with artificial wombs, like Bladerunner or Brave New World...

You can't run a society on old people and for those saying it's good because climate change, you won't be able to fix climate change if everyone is in total chaos and only concerend with immediate survival. It'll be like "everything is fucked and YOU want US to stop burning coal, yeah nah".

Well maybe it won't be that bad, but it'll certainly be a huge social issue.

[-] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I'm going to be plenty sarcastic and start by flipping the "eat less avocado toast" argument.

Most of the problems are with the boomers, and if they actually wanted a better future then they should have cared more about it. Almost all of the American problems are from boomers being too selfish.

What's that one quote? "A good society is one where people plant trees that they will never know their shade?"

Boomers took the ability to live on minimum wage, after they benefited from it. Boomers took the ability to get promoted after healthcare kept them alive. Boomers are hoarding more wealth than ever and everyone is worse from it.

If the lower classes had the ability to spend any meaningful amount of money then we could easily support people after retirement. But now we have some of the most stagnant economies, and it will only get worse before it gets better.

The earth could easily support more if people actually cared by doing things like stopping coal power plants. But now instead of creating solutions we have people like you who want to force pregnancy on people for your own selfish WANTS.

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[-] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm thinking all current issues will boil down to 1 major issue, to many humans on to little space. The human race is still growing in numbers while the livable space on earth is diminishing fast (even simply ignoring the dwindling clean fresh water supply and options to grow food). Either we need to stop the growth or get off this rock.

As loads of humans still think that nature doesn't include them and they are not part of the diminishing biodiversity, it doesn't look good for the foreseeable future. Maybe in a few centuries when we're either down to 1-2 billion (or less) or have spread out into the universe.

[-] smooth_jazz_warlady 3 points 1 year ago

Bit late to this, but I have a couple of big ones:

  1. Once brain uploading becomes a thing, the code/data of an uploaded person should be sacrosanct. You can't look at it, you can't fuck with it, unless they give you consent to do so.

  2. Once it becomes a possibility, every human should either move off-world or revert back to a hunter-gatherer existence. Humans in general have been a disaster for the biosphere, but especially once we started settling down and farming, and even more so once industrialisation became a thing. Earth needs time to heal from the damage we have done to it, and that means most people + all our industry and technology fucking off into space. Namely into space colonies, big rotating cans of steel the size of large islands, filled with dirt, air, water and artificial biospheres.

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