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[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 131 points 1 week ago

This should show everyone clearly, unambiguously, without a doubt that conservatives in America have zero idea what progressivism or leftism is about at all.

It's just words to them. They do NOT care. It's WWE wrestlemania. They want to paint their faces and get swept away in a stageplay and die as heartbroken as the hero if they don't succeed and make all their enemies pay.

We need to like, mass-spam the entire Midwest america with historical romance novels with bodice-ripping sex scenes. I think if more guys just got lost in that shit, we would have a lot less tension and pain in the world.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago

What's the old Trotskyite joke? Two members, three parties?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately in this case, it's projection. The right falls in line and they accomplish stuff because of that. The left could really learn from that.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 52 points 1 week ago

The right falls in line because they're fascists who are afraid of thinking for themselves. Diversity of thought causes discourse, that's a natural fact, but it should be celebrated as a strength. Looking for leftists to shut up and fall in line is like peak "enlightened centrist" thinking.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

There's fascists, american monarchists, libertarians, religious nuts, the rare fiscally conservative, the 2A'ers, etc.

Who said "leftists to shut up"? Not me. You can bemoan the 2 party system all you want, but it's what's here. The way for the left to be actually effective in achieving at least some of its goals is to give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

[-] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago

Who said “leftists to shut up”?

People talking shit

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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
[-] actually@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The 1% of American politics who are ignored, Look for the pouty guy in the corner of a democratic campaign stop and you found him

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[-] peto@lemm.ee 77 points 1 week ago

Man, I can't even agree with myself most days.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 44 points 1 week ago

If the left were even a fraction as organized as claimed, Bernie would have blown the primary out in 2016 and ridden into the whitehouse with solid majorities in both houses.

It honestly roils me how impotent the left is, because an active organized left could grab this country by the balls and drag it into a whole new era, but all we have is a million headed hydra with each neck pulling in a different direction because nobody can get over themselves for long enough to fall in line behind a common objective.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

Yeah, a lot of the stuff that the "Left" fails on seems to be because it hits "well it's not exactly perfect and good for absolutely anybody do we're not gonna do it"

Whereas the "Right" is basically 'well it came from my guy so... seems good'

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[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 week ago

They're poor that's why.

Uneducated, low resources, no time, no money or means.

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[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago

Every time a right wing pundit talks about the left wing hive mind it's a clear tell that they have no understanding of their political rivals at all..

[-] xhrit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"The united front tactic is simply an initiative whereby the communists propose to join with all workers belonging to other parties and groups and all unaligned workers in a common struggle to defend the immediate, basic interests of the working class against the bourgeoisie." - 4th World Congress of the Communist International

Basically the thing Trump does where he hears some antiquated information and then his brain re-interprets it into a pre-school level understanding.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago

Funnily enough, many online leftists think something similar is true for the right.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago

The right may not have great organization, but they have an astounding ability to put their blinders on for the Ten Minutes' Hate when it's called for. The right's problem is that when they smell blood in the water, THEN the unity falls apart. It's power games for them.

Parts of the left, or what passes for it in this country, would prefer martyrdom to cooperating with heretics.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is because "the left" tries to unite groups that ultimately are at odds with each other. Anarchists of all types work very well with each other usually, but not with Auth left because they have bad praxis and care about being in control of the movement. Likewise it's difficult to align with social democrats who think electoralism and reformism is a solution and stifle direct action.

Likewise Auth left and social democrats tend to infight, even within themselves, because their hierarchical praxis causes power play friction.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

It's simpler than that - the left has principles, while the right has unity and message discipline driven by deference to authority, a victim complex fear, hate, and thirst for power.

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[-] j_overgrens@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

I take great offense in you saying that tankies and socdems infight, lol. (I mean, I get it, they are both statists, but I feel on a emotional level most socdems feel more for anarchism than for leninism.)

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I would be an anarchist if I weren't socdem. The problem with anarchism is that it only works on a very small scale, where people know each other well enough to work on mutual understanding. That wouldn't work on a very large scale due to people having their own ideas. I was told before that anarchism is basically the norm for most of human history and thus it could be implemented. Well, look around, aren't we already living in anarchism under the nation-state model? Even though there is the United Nations, most of their power is non-binding and could easily be ignored by a more powerful member. And thus we are already living in anarchism; and it's not working as idealised.

[-] Crismus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I'm more anarchistic in personal beliefs but am willing to embrace social democrats to get some benefit.

The idea of the greatest social good for the largest group is more important than trusting everyone to follow the correct policies when given power. I also personally think that state power is incompatible with anarchist beliefs.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Well if meant to in the context of the occasional big tent movements. I don't think most socdems think much about anarchists at all except when it comes time to scold us for not voting.

[-] j_overgrens@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, and I think that when together in a big tent, socdems would associate more easily with anarchists than with leninists. Especially with syndicalists, for example.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

I'm not particularly far left compared to the Lemmy Lunatics, but I suspect that is far more true for the right than it is for the left.

I've seen people go from "are all these COVID precautions necessary?", and tumble down a rabbit-hole to "we need to kick the foreigners out, Trump is the best choice for the US, and Russia is entitled to Ukraine" in a matter of months.

They're very good at keeping people on message. They grab people on one issue and make them go all-in.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I guess we do have one common goal, make life better for everyone?

[-] jagungal@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No, it's make everyone's quality of life better! /j

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Look, look... both of you make excellent points but I think the real important common goal is a better life for everyone and I will fistfight both of you until we all agree or some fascist assnugget comes by and makes us forget our pedantry.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Since nobody here has said anything about IMPROVING life for everyone, only making life better and other "Better centric" topics, I'm going to throw my vote in a shredder and actively tell everyone how awful you are.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I might be infuriated by your empty symbolic act, but I'm going to make DAMN sure you have every right to do it.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

You still haven't said anything about Improving life, so now I'm going to vote for the person who wants to throw me into a wood chipper, as a protest.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Oh damn yo, I do hate me some Facist assnuggets

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Honestly I expect life to get worse for 0.1% of people.

Somewhere...a gaggle of dickless, peaked-in-highschool, douchenozzles wearing underarmor fReEdOm tshirts popped a blood vessel in their eye from getting so enraged that someone suggested minorities get closer to the number of rights and freedoms they have.

[-] norimee@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

If that were true, Trump would have never had a chance to become president in the first place.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Organized left = isn't part of the cult

[-] menemen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Meanwhile there are 3 fractions for each 2 left wing people.

[-] zeroday 9 points 1 week ago

Well, I think that there's actually something to this. I've been involved in a lot of organizing spaces, and there's this "our backs are all up against a wall so we have to work towards a common goal of achieving a workers state and not dying due to climate change" vibe going around lately.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'd say fuckers problem isn't that we are organized but maybe; we're not a bunch of rock sucker's mixed in with a bag'o'rascists.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

You’re just saying that because of the time the communists took a break from a revolution against monarchists to shoot at other communists. Or because of the other time they did that

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago

As usual this isn't something to be taken as an observation of reality, but an attempt to create a reality for conservatives to be afraid of...

It's "the big bad left" all organized like an army ready to steamroll your beautiful conservative values! Of course it has no bearing in reality, but that's not the point. The point as always with them is "be afraid of the left!!"

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Can't have a conspiracy theory if you see your so-called oppressors as atomized, alienated, confused, and largely helpless.

But then the trick fascists always pull is to describe their enemy as simultaneously weak and strong, brilliant and foolish, hyper-surveillant and utterly blind.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
[-] _bcron@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

That's a lot of words to say "absolutely not dysfunctional"

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Handing my cat a bowl of vegan cat food as I read this.

[-] pixeltree 4 points 1 week ago

How dare you! You should only feed them food on plates, not in bowls!!!!

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Wtf dude 😆

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think this just generally highlights the importance of opening a book and reading. There have been centuries of Leftist thought, questions have been raised and they have been answered. Many considering themselves "left" can sympathize with Leftist goals, or even jab at the sources of modern struggles structurally, but lack the organizational and practical knowledge obtained from Theory and applying theory to practice.

The more you read, the more you realize how little you actually know.

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