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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

Comparing people to viruses is trite, dehumanizing, unhelpful.

It's also a complete failure of a simile. Virus simply are. They have no agency. No life. Just a pattern of inert molecules, occasionally bumping into the right place to start overproducing duplicates. Viruses can only exist as the shadow of something living. To compare people to that... is so off the mark it's funny... especially when you've got a much better comparison right next to it.

You want a metaphor? People are constituent cells of a much larger organism. An organism made of multi-cellular organisms. “Meta-cellular”, if you’re that sort of dork. This isn’t without precedent. You can model an army of ants as a single organism, even check the health of the colony by taking the temperature of the anthill. The behavior and labor of all the ants combine up to an output far larger than anything an equal number of individual ants could do.

Of course, unlike cells or ants, people’s lives are nowhere near so prescribed. Each of us decides our own behavior. We learn, from our own experience and – most critically – from observing others. And as we all choose and develop our behavior, it adds to the behavior of others’, and something larger emerges. Call it community. Or nation. Country. State. Religion. Empire. Society. Economy. A bigger organism is born from the collective action of us all, whether we’re aware of it or not.

It’s not a smart organism. It has no awareness, no brain – that’s all concentrated in each ‘cell’. But it is powerful. Capable of altering landscapes, redirecting rivers – moving mountains, even… Its mere existence is a weight on the world. Ecologies bend towards it, fall into orbit. Smaller organisms are crushed without notice – sometimes completely. Often completely…

The behavior of this big organism is decided, partly by the thoughts, but primarily by the actions of its constituent components. Again, it’s not sentient. It doesn’t need to be. People already do that bit. You wouldn’t need to be sentient, either, if your cells could invent clever new ways of doing… whatever fiddly little things cells do (Something with oxygen, I think?)… and share it with one another.

The point is, right now that big organism is doing a great big capitalism. Or, perhaps, that organism is capitalism. For us, here in this moment of history, our job is to start organizing the next organism...

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Rhetoric like "Humans are a virus" implies a collectivity of agency and responsibility between human beings that does not exist

There is no equivalence between a western billionaire and a starving child in the Sahel, what matters is their positioning and concrete relationship to capitalist production, which is the scientifically proven source of climate change

[-] ElHexo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Good thing there's a vaccine gui-trans

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

If you want to use the “global warming is like a fever” metaphor (which, don’t) capitalism is the virus and humans along with all the other life are the cells that die if a fever goes on without end

[-] commiespammer@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

The 'humans are the real virus' rhetoric is disgusting, and just keep in mind that people's views on humanity generally reflect themselves.

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[-] chay@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

The amount of times I've heard this rhetoric coupled with "the animals are better than us! We should let them govern the planet instead! They're vastly superior to us murderous beings" is baffling

[-] somename@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Beyond the obvious ecofash aspect of it, plenty of animals are murdery or selfish as well. We have the reason and capacity to do better though, so we should.

[-] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I for one welcome a world ruled by the Orangutan-Bonobo-Cetacean alliance.

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[-] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Well it's not like we can blame the whales

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Just the corporate ones

[-] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

the whales aren't doing enough

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I think the whales blame us.

[-] Salmarez@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

I think probably a lot of people who parrot the virus stuff have not given it much thought, just think it sounded cool in the Matrix.

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

just think it sounded cool in the Matrix

The whole line was spoken by the arch-cop during an interrogation. Sometimes I wonder if that scene is an unintentional political Rorschach Test.

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[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago
[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Lol yeah

People don't mean themselves or their families - when they say this they're saying foreigners are the virus whether they know it or not

[-] mustardman@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Nah I explicitly mean my family lol

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[-] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

viruses are a vital part of the dialectics of evolution, without them animals might never have existed. Typical fascist exterminationism ideology!

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

👆 this officer, right here. BMF is posting again. bunny-cop

[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Humans have lived on this earth for ~300k years and most of that time we were basically in harmony with the natural world, whereas capitalism has only been a global system in the last century, which is when we started to see gigantic spikes in CO2.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

But have you concidered this snowball I brought to the Legislative Floor in the middle of summer? debate-me-debate-me

[-] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's also much more apt to compare capital to a kind of social virus imo. It infiltrates into human agency in order to multiply itself

[-] CriticalResist8@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Hey do you know the artist? I'd love to repost this on the prolewiki twitter

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Unknown, sadly, its been floating around since 2021.

[-] CriticalResist8@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

it seems not everything gets drudged up from the posting trenches after all...

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I tried digging for it for no success

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