This is bad.
I mean, third time’s the charm……. Right? 😳
Eh. Germany weren't the colossal dickheads in WWI that they were in WWII. Frankly most of Europe had a part to play in sparking the first one.
WW1 was just a massive dick measuring contest.
A bunch of inbred royal fucks beefing over turf.
Which aptly describes basically every war in European history, honestly.
Kaiser Wilhelm was:
Expansionist and irredentist
Fervently anti-democracy
Rabidly anti-semitic
Trying to secure overseas colonies to exploit for resources
The Third Reich was the Second Reich without a noble class to fuck things up with inbreeding. It's hardly surprising, a culture can't change completely in the span of a couple decades.
I don’t think I wanna find out how they would ramp up to the third try if the right wing takes over again.
Mom, can we get Nazis?
No we have Nazis at home.
I'd much rather have the idiot kind of nazis than the 1930s kind.
How the hell do you think it starts‽ In the 20s with complete idiot nazis
Our "Verfassungsschutz": "Watch out! They plan to overthrow the current system!!"
AfD voter: "Yeah, but the migrants"
I'd go even further. The AfD threatens the current (democratic) system. Most AfD voters vote for them for this exact reason. They want to "enact revenge" on a system they feel left behind by IMO.
"democracy doesn't let me be racist enough, we should get rid of it"
~average AfD voter
"Them rich folks of the AfD keep telling me that democracy made me poor and jobless. They are also telling me that they'll bring back jobs, by removing all them immigrants. Guess I'll vote for them."
Who should I vote for after unhinged leoliberal capitalism made my life worse?
- Socialists: Vote for me, so I can tax the rich and spend money on programs to help workers like you
- Fascist: Vote for me, I promise to deport some brown people (but in reality I will just cut the taxes of rich people and be friendly with Russia)
Just proves again that we should deport AfD voters instead
I'm really worried that the Verfassungsschutz talks and talks about the dangers the AfD poses, but they seemingly won't actually do anything and I suspect by now it's too late to prohibit them.
Yeah, it sucks. A party can't be forbidden in Germany if it's not "relevant enough"... But when they are relevant, it might be too late.
They have been "relevant enough" for a very long time now.
Yeah, but the Verfassungsschutz was sabotaged by Maaßen half of the time.
And AFD won't "send migrants back" because that would remove their favorite Boogeyman. Expect don't symbolic tinkering and not that much more, otherwise they have to start all over again with another minority to blame. It won't improve these people's economic situation. EU exit and austerity is back on the menu with AFD.
So, no one bothers to learn lessons from history any more...? Hmmm.
Issue is, they just change a few bits around to fool the people that are uneducated about the subject. I'm from Hungary, and one history teacher of mine taught me that Nazis did things for the sake of being evil, one other said "it was a punishment for the Jews killing Jesus". Once you associate bigotry with being evil, any dumb rationale can make it look not evil in the eyes of these people.
it was a punishment for the Jews killing Jesus
This is peak logic. Glorify Jesus becasue "he died for our sins" but demonize Jews for killing him... Bitch, if they didn't kill him you lack key aspect of your religion!
They think history is based and also lies and also rad as hell and should definitely be repeated. But that bad mustache man should win this time.
It doesn't help at all that history is rewritten all the time and is provably inaccurate at least in detail in a lot of cases.
I'm not a holocaust denier or saying the Nazis are any better than what history shows them, but I also can't in good faith say that history is written in stone while southern US states are banning books right and left and making taboo teaching subjects. I've seen pushes in some areas that try to eliminate slavery and push the indentured servant narrative wide enough to cover all slavery.
It can't be as bad as it sounds, right?
Right?
Fuck.
They probably aren’t literally Hitler. But there is a lot of damage and awful shit they can do in between reasonable and Hitler. And they are much further towards the latter than anyone should be comfortable with.
The thing with Hitler: He still considered himself a patriot, even he didn't solicit financial support from Germany's worst enemies.
Well, the only good thing: The pro-democratic parties will probably build a government without them.
Here is the (non final) result for anyone to lazy to check themselves:
Scheiße
So it's still a minority by a significant amount. It could be much worse.
The long term strategy is to destabilise the CDU by forcing them into unfavorable coalitions. Which they have probably achieved this time. If the CDU looks bad enough in 5 years the AfD might get enough votes so that no government can be built without them
With how absolutely entrenched the CDU is in our political system, this is about as bad as you could reasonably expect it to be. The CDU is an overall incredibly dominant party and the others are often competing for second place, which the AFD has gotten now. Them actually competing on that level is frankly terrifying.
Hicks exist in every country.
Sometimes they drive fancy cars.
Hicks exist in every country. They don't always exist in the form of a "bring back the policies that destroyed our country the last time around" political party though.
Uhh, my experience must be different than yours.
I grew up surrounded by hicks who were still furious the North invaded them to take away their freedoms! (to keep slaves)
Jesus Christ, Germany, figure it out.
And which country are you from that you think you are entitled to throw the first stone?
As a German, I'd very much like to throw the first stone at AFD-voters. And the second... and third.
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Let's see what they'll achieve. Gonna be fun to watch.
Not so much fun to live through, I imagine. Especially if you have the "wrong" skin color.
Nothing will change except more people feeling emboldened by the results. This isn't going to change much for non-whites in the state. If they were treated badly before, they'll continue to be treated badly now. That isn't going to change.
But I bet this party won't achieve much in the next 4 years. Germany is a federation, Thuringia is a state. There's not much AfD can do at that level that wouldn't be rejected at national level, maybe even already by the state court. They can't change the constitution, they can't "ban immigrants" from their state, in short they can't implement their "program".
It'll be a constant fight to get anything through and after 4 years, I bet they'll have very little to show for it. All they'll do is blame the other party for not cooperating.
I mean Franz von Papen thought something like this too in 1932 about Hitler and we all know how it ended.
I think, you misunderstand... They will probably not be part of the government(s). The other parties made that pretty clear. This is Germany. You need 50% of the seets. Does not matter who has the most votes.
And no, it wouldn't be fun for lots of minorities.
Lol, sure. Look at the parties will form a coalition there. Wikipedia says CDU is center right (23%), Linke is far left (12% --> 35%)), SPD is supposedly social democratic and progressive (6% --> 41%), and BSW is all over the spectrum (15% -->56%). The only thing they have in common is that they are political parties.
I wouldn't be surprised by AfD + CDU + BSW, honestly. They are politically much closer together than the other possible coalition.
If the Thuringian CDU gets into the government with the AfD they won't be CDU for long. As in: They'll be kicked out of the party.
On the contrary, their federal level seems to be softening their stance on Die Linke. And given the results they might not even be in the nasty situation of having to elect a Die Linke minister-president it's gonna be Die Linke voting a CDU one into office.
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