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End of an era: Zoom tells employees to return to office for work::Zoom is asking all of its employees to return to the office for the first time since the COVID-19 pandemic began, when the tech company blew up as one of the main means of communication when people were forced to work from home.

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[-] MicTEST@ttrpg.network 215 points 1 year ago

Pretty bad optics when your company depends on enabling collaboration in virtual settings.

[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

That is indeed bizarre. They're saying "zoom is no longer required"

[-] Contend6248@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

They rather say "we don't solve the problem"

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago

I’m a simple man… I see “NY Post,” I click the downvote button.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Simple mind indeed, dont bother reading and analyzing the contents, just give up

[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it’s actually newsworthy, the same content is available elsewhere.

The NY Post is garbage.

[-] speff@melly.0x-ia.moe 20 points 1 year ago

No-one's obligated to read trash. I don't read other tabloids in case they might have a point.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

What is trash in this article ?

[-] JonnyJ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

do some research about the NYPost and get back to us.

If for some reason you find them to still be a reliable, trustworthy source of information, then I think Twitter might be a nicer place for you.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You didnt answer my question

[-] JonnyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Fuck the NY Post

[-] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

What's the point of Zoom as a product then?

[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So CEOs can do another corporate word salad all hands meeting while at his beach house.

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

To talk to coworkers in other buildings I guess. That's what it seems to be for these days.

[-] krakenx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Calls between businesses?

[-] JonnyJ@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Get this shitty rag out of here. NYPost is fucking propaganda spreading filth

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Calling it "end of an era" as if remote work is over, no matter how interest remains among workers and companies still offer it, is definitely a propaganda move.

[-] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure why so many companies are obsessed with getting their employees back to the office, not needing to have everyone within a 1 hour radius of your offices opens a lot of doors when it comes to recruitment while not affecting performance.

[-] jadegear@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd speculate some combination of control over employees (poor management practices, etc) and making use of owned land/offices that are difficult to sell otherwise. Not much else makes sense to me, especially for tech companies where nearly the entire job exists in virtual space of some kind - no wrenches to turn.

Edit: Someone else suggested a way to "lay off" folks by having them voluntarily leave the job to avoid the return to office. That also sounds pretty plausible to me with the extent to which companies are starting to squeeze with what feels like an incoming recession period.

[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Using it as a way to reduce your workforce is so short sighted. The top performers are the ones most capable of getting a new job and most willing to leave over the issue. Instead of it being a calculated set of layoffs in specific areas of the company it’ll just be all the good employees leaving.

[-] Styxia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

When my former employer went remote for covid, Meeting culture got worse, comms became less efficient and arguably collaboration did suffer. Defect rate in code also increased amongst the junior cohort and we determined (staff survey) it was due to senior and junior developers having fewer opportunities to connect and engage with high quality pair programming and mentoring sessions.

Half the table decided this was because remote work doesn’t work. The other half speculated that it’s because we tried to recreate the “in office” experience remotely, and that doesn’t work well. Sadly the company refused to adapt, and many were laid off. There was also a sizable tax break we got by being a large office that bought people into the city and support the local economy which likely had a material influence in their decision to layoff most remote/hybrid people.

My point with the anecdote is that I truly believe it’s rooted in a failure to adapt office culture. Willfully or unable too, it’s too nuanced to assert generally, and there’s also an entire segment of the workforce where on-site is essential and I’m not qualified to comment on.

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Because most people can't wfh. I work with many that maybe do 1 or 2 hours of actual work every day. When they're in the office, their productivity doubles. Management won't fire them because it takes over a year to fill most positions. And the pay is very high so it's not that.

[-] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

That's not the results most studies show.

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah this. We've seen study after study showing productivity goes up with remote work.

[-] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 40 points 1 year ago

Clickbaity article

Zoom [...] is now asking all employees within 50 miles of a company office to go in at least two days a week on a hybrid schedule.

So it's not "all of it's employees". Plus, it's a hybrid schedule, which, for better or worse, has now become a standard across most organisations around the world.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Not that clickbait though. They are selling a product that makes WFH possible and yet aren’t fully utilizing it. Where are they located? 50 miles is a long commute.

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Hour long commutes each way to appease corporate is still a bad joke.

[-] AlgonquinHawk@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I honestly think it’s good to get into the office space just for a change of mentality and scenery and a little socialization. Helps you get out of being at home all the time kind of funk.

[-] Styxia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I agree, being able to go into the office has been a nice change of scene and variety in the day (not to mention addressing the social atrophy I’ve experienced over the last few years!)

It’s the ability to make that a choice is what’s important. Corporate lifestyle is so dammed dehumanizing, with my bi-annual 5 star rating, the threat of at-will employment, lackluster vacation and total dependency on employer provided healthcare… It’s no surprise that the ability to have any autonomy over working hours and location has become such a divisive topic. :(

[-] justhach@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago
[-] masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

They have no confidence in their own product.

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