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[-] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 111 points 3 months ago

Honey wake up, it's the weekly miracle battery tech!

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 29 points 3 months ago

But now it's actually being produced and put into products.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Sweet, I've been thinking about getting another EV. Which one is it in? I've got some time to go do test drives this weekend.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago

They said it would be in Lexus first if you read the article. There are power banks on the market with solid state batteries today if you like.

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[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 19 points 3 months ago

Finally I will be able to drive a thousand miles instead of walking them.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 months ago
[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 11 points 3 months ago

Almost downvoted you because now I have that song stuck in my head.....

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[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

How about phones? Surely Samsung would put their own new battery tech in their own phones right?

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 23 points 3 months ago

Where would you drive in your phone, bro? Don't be silly.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 15 points 3 months ago

Based on the article they are more expensive than li-ion batteries (for now), so probably not yet. And the article doesn't mention anything about this, but I imagine there would be scaling issues.

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do you know how big and heavy that phone would be with a car battery in it?

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago

yeah but imagine the screen size though

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A couple of these would be perfect for my flight sim!

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

You can even take it with you on the train!

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

If it doesn’t fold into eighths I’m not interested

[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Especially if the battery is 600 miles long like the title says.

[-] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I don't think solid state batteries provide as much benefit in smaller devices.

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago
[-] Mihies@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

SSB can be a quite a lot denser compared to existing ones. Up to 2.5x if I recall correctly. Also less flammable. Edit: consider -> compared

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

We are almost there. Doesn't the average internal combustion engine car go something like 600 to 1000 miles on a tank of fuel? If so just a little bit more and the "range anxiety" argument will no longer be valid.

[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

No, it's more like 3-400. The key point here is not the range, but the charging time

[-] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Who's car is only going 3 miles on a tank?

/s

[-] Exec@pawb.social 3 points 3 months ago

Who's going -397 miles?

[-] mortalic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Indeed, I had a BMW that when it got 250 miles I was happy!

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

It's more like 300-500 miles per tank

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

Ah, so this actually be better than ICE in range, but time to charge will be the next challenge to tackle.

[-] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 months ago

I honestly think both of those "arguments" are stupid anyway, given that you can charge it at home daily. I doubt anyone driving an ICE car empties anything close to their entire fuel tank in a single day.

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 7 points 3 months ago

A big tank in a fueled personal vehicle makes sense because you don't want to have to stop and fill up every day. However, big battery in an EV doesn't really make sense since it should be plugged in every day when you get home for a few hours.

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

However, big battery in an EV doesn't really make sense since it should be plugged in every day when you get home for a few hours

Except some people actually travel. Who wants to stop and charge every 100 miles?

[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 3 points 3 months ago

Then take mass transit or get a car that runs on fuel. Having all this extra battery mass everywhere is just bad all around.

[-] Contingencyfork@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

An easy way to get around this would be replaceable batteries. Like how mobile phones used to work.

Running low? Pop to the nearest charging station and swap your battery for a fully charged one. Or bring a spare. I've seen a video of it being done for scooters, don't see why it can't be scaled up for cars

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

Been thinking about that since EV were just getting started. Of course it means you'd need to create new standards, get all the manufacturers and gas stations to use it, etc. But I really don't see why it couldn't work that way, park the car over the system, empty battery comes off and full battery goes in, pay a monthly subscription or something.

[-] moonlight@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago

Exactly. I think a small, light and cheap battery plus a gas range extender for long trips makes way more sense than carrying around 2000 pounds of battery that only gets fully used once a year.

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[-] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago

Only when we're road tripping and the 20 mins every couple of hours is all our bladders can take anyway.

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 18 points 3 months ago

Doesn't the average internal combustion engine car go something like 600 to 1000 miles on a tank of fuel?

I'm guessing you don't actually drive.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago

Na, a blind guy driving would be horrible for me and everyone else. Lol

[-] trk@aussie.zone 4 points 3 months ago

Doesn't seem to stop a lot of drivers

[-] Kanzar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

Just a matter of faster charging, takes me maybe 5-10 minutes to fill up and pay, would take a lot longer for an EV. Certainly not an issue if every accommodation had charging points, as I'd then be unlikely to need a full charge during the day.

And yes, for regular day to day driving I would just charge at home, as I'm fortunate to have a garage. Not the case for many folks, sadly.

Definitely great news, and it's looking good that my next car will be an EV.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

One car I had I could just about reach 600 miles if driving carefully on the highway. That was a diesel with a large tank. No other car I've had did better. My first car has a 300 mile range.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I might tap the center of that if I was doing near 100% highway, hypermiling and ran out the tank. But typically 300-500 in either of mine and I drive about 20 miles a day maximum.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It doesn't matter. Cars are still an unsustainable and inequitable grift destroying the planet. Just ban cars and make a million light EVs instead.

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Vehicles will always have specific use cases, it's just that most of North America's infrastructure is designed to accommodate vehicles with everything else being designed around that, put in as an afterthought or just not thought of in the first place (like cycling infrastructure). So people are using these machines for things that are outside their use case, as it has been for almost a century.

As things are right now, people would probably die if cars were outright banned. It's kind of funny how important personal vehicles have become and as such kind of scary how necessary they are (it's a bit of a paradox, isn't it?). To ban cars there first needs to be a good replacement option like well connected rail lines or cycling only roads (or at least protected bicycle lanes). These take time, money, resources and, most of all, political will to create. For most of the developed world money and resources aren't exactly an issue, the issue is politics that lock up those resources for vehicles.

I.e., funding for my cities major bicycle route that serves 1000+ people everyday is still only funded by my regions parks and recreation board which doesn't get enough money to maintain it properly. Even though it's really great, I can't use it after dark because there aren't any lights until I get to a shared route and there are a few bridges that are so uneven I have to walk across.

North America has to undo multiple decades of relentless car-centred development and the prevailing political climate means that will happen piecemeal at a municipal level, street by street, year by year. I personally don't want to wait for that though, so I'm learning Dutch.

[-] radivojevic@discuss.online 4 points 3 months ago

I wouldn’t be able to get to work or buy groceries without a car. I also refuse to pay the cost to live in a walkable area, as everything is significantly more expensive. The change required to create a city that is both affordable and livable without a car is impossible at this point.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

That sounds like an excessively large battery.

[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

According to Samsung SDI's VP, automakers are interested in its solid-state battery packs because they are smaller, lighter, and much safer than what's in current electric cars. Apparently, they are also rather expensive to produce, since it warns that they will first go into the "super premium" EV segment of luxury electric cars that can cover more than 600 miles on a charge.

Apparently not, though this is all marketing speak

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