It's easy to say things in the run up to election. I'll wait and see what she actually does when/if she is elected
She [...] denounced Hamas as a brutal terrorist organisation that triggered the war
Harris, you're wrong and you know it. This is only the latest battle in a war that has been going on for decades.
And the word you're not saying is genocide.
Out of curiosity, do you always insist people use the term genocide when addressing the ~~Ukrainian invasion~~ invasion of Ukraine, the sinicization of Tibet, and the Uyghur camps as well? Do you always say the Ukrainian genocide, the Tibetan genocide, and the Uyghur genocide? It’s exactly as correct as the former descriptions.
I won't insist on each and every time, but just once would be fantastic.
I personally also don't say it literally each and every time, but I will say that those examples as also genocide, unequivocally. That's me on the record, you can quote me on that.
(Also I assume you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the invaded areas, not an invasion committed by the Ukrainians, because I'm not aware of that happening anywhere.)
Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I edited for clarity.
My point is both descriptions are accurate, and sensationalism is polarizing. The wrong language could keep her out of office. This reaffirms the understanding that she’s left of Biden and miles from Trump. That may be all the conviction we get before the election. That doesn’t mean that’s all she has to offer.
Calling a genocide what it is isn't sensationalist, regardless of whether or not you think there would be political blowback for her to state that plainly.
You're couching an implication that describing it as a genocide is an exaggeration in pragmatic language.
Out of curiosity, do you suppose whataboutism is going to make what Netanyahu does suddenly not be a genocide?
Do you think that because Russia and China are doing it, that makes it OK? We're not selling Russia and China weapons to use in their genocides.
As a Canadian I feel like people who support our right wing politicians are very generous with the accuracy of what they say and their American counterparts are even more so.
Yet somehow the Progressive side is held to this unusual standard where they're constantly painted as the villain if they're off by the slightest bit.
Expecting the right wing to do anything good is futile. If they were going to, they wouldn't be in the right wing. The Democrats can be pushed left. There is no point in setting standards you know someone will never meet. Some Democrats have already called it genocide, so there it's achievable.
In this case is more about what you would get out of Biden, Harris, Vance or Trump.
As long as she's willing to strongly push for a ceasefire as American you got other things to worry about. And for the record I do agree it's a genocide.
Harris is by no means a progressive, but anyone supporting Israeli government at this point is creepy as fuck
Israel helped Hamas gain power intentionally. Defending Hamas is defending Israel, just as defending Israel is defending Hamas.
If only she were the current sitting vice president of the United states of America, I.e. was in a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as "striking a tough tone".
Actions, as always, speak louder than words.
Oh my god, nothing is enough for you people. She's literally pushing for an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of the Israeli military and advocating for a 2 state solution. Isn't that precisely what we want?
Also Israel should pay to rebuild.
How about we start with babysteps of not actively and vigorously committing genocide.
Some of us do recognize Harris has no real power yet.
One state is the real solution. That’s going to take time to rebuild trust. Until then, Biden’s ceasefire agreement and Gaza rebuild plan is a great start.
Yeah, the Knesset has signaled in no uncertain terms that they will never support a two state solution.
A two-state solution is something that sounds good to people who don't understand the history and the geography, but the reality is that Israel will always be looking to take over the remainder of Gaza and the Westbank. The already have to a huge extent, I don't think people realize just how much Palestine has been made into swiss cheese. You can't make a state out of that.
It's the apartheid state that needs to end, Israel cannot remain an ethno-state if there's ever going to be an end to all this. Theres nowhere else on earth that we'd be arguing that it needs to be ethnically "pure". Palestinians have been in that region as long as anyone, they need to be equal citizens with equal rights.
Its not a pipe dream, the world pressured South Africa to end apartheid, they can do it with Israel if world leaders actually show some backbone.
Historically the VP has been one of the weakest political positions when it comes to actual power or ability to effect change. Just depends on how much the cabinet/president listen to you.
Unless you were Dick Cheney.
Who had the power to shoot a man in the face while drunk and have him apologize for being shot.
The issue of Palestinian independence has been my longest standing position. I became interested in politics during the second inifada 20+ years ago. It's been going on longer than that by a longshot.
This is the best we've seen in terms of statements. Let's let her win before we condemn her for shit she can't act on.
If she gets it and continues to pay lip service only, I'll agree with your cynicism. Gods know I have enough to go around myself.
a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.
Ah, here's where you're mistaken. The Vice President is not a position of power. They can try to influence the president, like any other cabinet member, but that's it. They're effectively ceremonial.
Tell me the actual power of the VP? The buck stops at the top. The decisions of the executive are the final word. She is one voice among many in the Whitehouse and she doesn't pull the levers. She can't force Biden to do whatever she wants. That's now how it works. She can suggest, she can inform, she can advise, but ultimately, until January, it's Biden making decisions.
Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.
I feel that, but to be fair she's not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.
I think it's an encouraging sign that she's not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That's not a guaruntee she'll take real action, but if she's distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it's a good sign.
I think it's easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she's still not ideological like Biden is, most aren't. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don't see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.
Unlike the other guy who lies with every breath he makes she has not given us a reason not to trust her yet...
So don't even compare its not fair at all.
One is a serial liar, rapist and criminal, and I'm not even exaggerating or being dramatic... just 100% real facts proven in court.
Wake up.
She's going to say whatever she thinks will get her elected.
We can't trust her as far as we can throw her. All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.
It's better than standing 100% behind Israel. Either way, I'll believe it when I see it.
So what do you suggest? The guy who's already said he's for genocide?
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