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IMO, The US has crumbling infrastructure, corrupt government, dangerous cities, and a lot of homelessness, among so many other problems. Hell, millions of people in the US don’t even have power right now.

What’s the difference?

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 100 points 2 years ago

Third World is an outdated term to refer to neutral countries in the cold war.

Unless there was a sudden dramatic shift in US geopolitical policy it would literally be impossible for it to be considered third world, as the very definition of third world as the definition inherently implies that the country in question is not allied with the US and the broader Western World.

Austria and Switzerland were third world, technically Yugoslavia was too. China became third world for a decent stretch after the sino-soviet split since the other half of the definition relies on not being allied with the Soviets in particular.

The use of third world as an insult for poor countries is a neo-colonial mindset that just takes for granted that anyone who isn't an outright ally of the west or of the Russians must just be too poor to be worth considering as anything but uneducated people in dirt houses living subsistence lifestyles and who's main interaction with an apparatus of state is occasionally seeing a humvee loaded up with the child soldiers of this warlord or that drive by.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 91 points 2 years ago
[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Languages evolve over time, all dictionaries now have OPs use of the word as the first definition.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 8 points 2 years ago

What definition and what dictionary?

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/third%20world

Maybe saying all dictionaries is a bit much, I only checked a few.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

USA doesn't fit any of those definitions anyway.

I know what OP means, 3rd world is just not the right word.

USA is a banana republic

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[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I guess I still go by the original definition. There are other words that offer more detail anyway - kakistocracy, gerontocracy, corporatocracy, kleptocracy, etc.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Developing countries would be the synonym for third world in the definition used by OP.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree language is descriptive and not prescriptive, but it sounds like comparing two categories developing vs developed may be more apt and not three like an updated 3 world model would entail. Or maybe I just find it unsettling to call something a third without referencing a third of something.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago

Because "first world" means NATO, not having a high standard of living.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you mean “developped” vs “develloping”.

The HDI of the US is significantly lower than canada or northern europe, but still much higher than the world average.

Here’s an Inequality Adjusted version of the Human Development index, the US comes 27th, below Estonia and Cyprus, but 27th out of nearly 200 is counted as “develloped”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index&diffonly=true

[-] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Also, the "developed" vs. "developing" terminology doesn't really have a category that fits a country that was previously developed and is now declining.

[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Neoliberal hubris

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 28 points 2 years ago

Because the definition of "first world" is "aligned with the US during the Cold War", second world was aligned with the USSR, third world were countries not significant on the global stage. It correlates with but does not require poverty or dictatorships.

[-] Steve@communick.news 21 points 2 years ago

Several reasons.

  1. The US is largely responsible for defining what 1st, 2nd, and 3rd World countries are.
  2. It has the largest economy in the world.
    (I think? That may have gone to China by now. Not sure. But it was true recently.)
  3. Even with everything you said being true. It's still the wealthiest country in the world, by a large margin. Epically when you compare incomes, lifestyles, and infrastructure to actual 3rd world countries. It's not even close.
[-] SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Looks like the USA is still about $10 trillion higher in GDP than China.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Because the "third world" doesn't mean what people think it means. It's cold war terminology. First World is western aligned nations, Second World is Eastern bloc, Third World is nonaligned with the eastern or western nations. FBFW it meant nations that generally weren't powerful or wealthy enough to be of interest to either East or West, and that poverty often meant they really had a lot of infrastructure and other problems. That's why we're not "Third World", it's a geopolitical alignment, not a quality of how we treat our citizens and infrastructure. So we're First World even if our country is turning into a shithole in some ways.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago

Because of their GDP. People are incredibly rich there. But one false move and there are no safety nets. You can get bankrupt in an instant.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's mostly the stable government, infrastructure, currency and tech.

Pretty much why I've been calling the US a 3rd world country for years.

Your"IMO" aren't opinions; those are the facts, jack

IMO, no country that primarily uses toilet paper instead of a bidet is 1st world.

[-] FalseMyrmidon@kbin.run 11 points 2 years ago
[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

My guess is Lemmy skews young.

so many of these revelations and showerthoughts are pretty banal coming of age stuff.

[-] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The country most famous for the bidet trend is France and currently swimming in the Seine is still looking impossible. If my infrastructure is so shitty and 3rd world here at least my lakes, rivers and water ways are all clean enough for me to use.

Every country has its problems, but calling the US 3rd world is just your brain being full of straight negative propaganda. Simultaneously not every French River is unusable or every country filled with Bidets an actual mark of their progress. Go experience a country first before just talking shit.

Also, stable government?? Literally our biggest problem is that our government has been so stable that it has changed for 240 years.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Pretty much why I’ve been calling the US a 2nd world country for years.

FYI, "second world" means communist -- or more specifically, Warsaw Pact. Only delusional MAGAs would call the US that.

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[-] BlackLaZoR@kbin.run 8 points 2 years ago

Because of very high GDP per capita. It's another discussion whether GDP is a reliable measure of economy output.

[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Where are you getting this from?

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The Gucci belt

[-] dch82@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago

I 100% agree; the thing is they measure this stuff by the mean so a few outliers (rich districts or billionaires) make things look reasonable by number.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Because the majority of old people are rich and there are still the echoes of a real middle class. Let's see if Trump gets elected and everyone with the cash to do so flees his outrageous proposed tariffs.

[-] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 2 years ago

TIL: Way too many people think it's still the Cold War. Language changes people.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Yup, it does change. It was attempted to mean "poor" and it's been reappropriated since

If you're trying to use modern language, it's "developed" and "developing"

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[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Language changes people.

In what ways are people changed by language?

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