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Does this instance have a stance on right wing disinformation communities? (lemm.ee)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee to c/meta@lemm.ee
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There's a new one suddenly popping up in my feed but obviously the reports are being "resolved" by the mods of that community. They suggested to me that I block their community but I will not because that is how you get a cesspit of an instance. How do we report disinformation communities straight to the admins?

Edit: the admins did remove the community in question so I'm going to take that as the official stance on disinformation communities and also assume that any type of community (right wing, left wing, or other) that are intentionally spreading disinformation will be removed. That makes me feel much better about the situation since this type of thing is pretty much guaranteed to pop up again.

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[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The admin here takes a conservative stance on defederation. He doesn't do it unless there are lemm.ee rules violations or network abuse. I haven't looked at any explodingheads content, but if it does not violate any lemm.ee rules and presents no network abuse it will probably not get defederated.

I agree with lemm.ee's philosophy on defederation and that's one of the reasons this is my home instance. In general you can't call for defederation just because you don't agree with content. If it's blatantly offensive then I suppose that would be valid grounds, but I would hope that reason is used sparingly. I mean discussion that's offensive to you may not be offensive to me.

[-] Asthmatic_Goose@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

It's hosted on this instance: https://lemm.ee/c/vaccines

"All reports calling post here missinformation will be ignored unless the post says that covid vaccines are healthy. Which is dangerous missinformation because covid vaccines kill."

[-] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !vaccines@lemm.ee

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

This isn't about defederating it's about misinformation communities being hosted on this instance.

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[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blatant lies are blatantly offensive.

Attempting to institute a brutal theocratic dictatorship and genocide all LGBT+ people is also blatantly offensive.

[-] astral_avocado@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Speaking of disinformation...

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

So in other words, it's been taken over by right-wingers. 🤦 Wasted my time again.

[-] Razp@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Not everything you disagree with is right wing. You sound like an American lol FYI this server owner is Estonian, one of the most liberal countries in the EU.

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[-] Bongles@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Well that's an overreaction. That vaccines community mentioned here sounds stupid but to say this entire instance has been taken over by right wingers because of one nut job? Is that really what you're saying?

[-] Venomnik0@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

If you want to create an eco chamber for yourself, you could've just said so.

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[-] aleph@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

This instance is still federated with explodingheads, so I wouldn't expect anything to come of this. I saw the community you're speaking about and it seems to be pretty small-time. You're best off just blocking it.

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Do I even want to know what that is? I'll give the admins a chance to respond but if I don't agree with the response I'll just delete my account here, because otherwise more of this will pop up and I'll have the entire instance blocked and then what's the point?

[-] aleph@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

Explodingheads is an edgy, red-pilled, manosphere-loving, alt-right instance. A real den of scum and villainy type place. Many of the larger instances have already de-federated with them.

I have to say, though, despite the fact that Lemm.ee hasn't yet followed suit, I haven't seen any posts from there in the local/all feeds.

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I spoke too soon in my other comment. It's here. !poltics@lemm.ee (eye roll). That looks like it was just created so if the admins don't squash it now it'll take over the entire instance.

[-] Bongles@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Are you saying you're concerned that a small politics community that has one downvoted post of an article is going to take over this instance?

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

This type of community in general. When they are not dealt with it attracts the type of user who causes problems associated with that type of community and they tend to proliferate.

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[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I haven't noticed any of it either, obviously since I was unaware lol I think there's a difference between defederating from it if it's causing an issue and showing up on feeds and actually hosting it though.

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

It's barely even misinformation, but definitely some of the laziest trolling I've seen in years.

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He's doing that because I upset him but if you look at the actual links they go to known disinformation sites.

Edit: and he's also probably upset about the downvotes, which were definitely not all awarded by me.

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Well that's just sad.

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[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

This is a general-purpose instance on a decentralized platform that doesn’t have much of an algorithm. All of us here most likely run into things we don’t like or want to see, and as long as it’s not illegal I think things like this will still be allowed. You can always block communities and follow ones that you like to tailor what you see. If you’re looking for more specific content all around, I’d join an instance that’s more specific to the type of content you’re looking for

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

We're talking about a community that is dedicated to posting misinformation and apparently trolling. It is very common for that kind of content and community to be explicitly forbidden in general purpose online communities because that isn't general purpose content. This isn't a matter of things people simply don't want to see. It's content that has proven to be problematic for any community that it infiltrates and generally results in a decline in quality and decorum.

[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I agree. The unfortunate reality is that the line between misinformation and opinion is very different from person to person—especially when it comes to politics. It’s easy to moderate and remove illegal content based on local laws of the country an instance resides in, but trying to moderate content from a single U.S. political party raises more questions and will take more volunteer manpower from admins. We would need to define as a community:

  1. What is the criteria for a misinformation or trolling community?
  2. Will we defederate from entire instances if they meet the criteria for misinformation/trolling?
  3. Will we regulate all types of communities (like technology, hobby, humor, culture, news, and war-related communities), or will we only regulate politically-driven communities.

I still don’t think this is the right move. I joined the Fediverse because of the ability to post and consume content without any person or entity manually or automatically determining what I can and cannot see. I specifically chose this instance because of it’s relaxed policy on defederation. I value being able to see all content and be aware of everyone’s voice, even if it is blatantly false information or offensive.

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

I don't think anyone is advocating for defederation, just upholding some base standards for discourse on communities directly hosted by this instance. If it was just a normal rightwing sub, I'd agree with you, but defending a blatant troll/disinformation sub is getting into "paradox of tolerance" territory for me personally.

Hell, the snowflakes banned me for making a single post warning another user not to feed the trolls. 😂

I have zero problem with staying federated with instances I vehemently disagree with. But I also have little desire to stay on one that "Free Speech"es itself into becoming a safe space for trolls and disinformation peddlers.

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[-] raptir@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I'm new here so I don't have much of a vote, but I have mixed feelings here. I like the idea of not blocking content, but at the same time I think a Vaccines community that is dedicated to spreading misinformation is not something healthy to have.

[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it’s difficult. If it’s bots/automated posting, that very clearly goes against this instance’s policies.

I like being able to see the full picture, including false information, so removing communities in this way effectively steals that freedom from me.

[-] some_guy@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like seeing misinformation

Holy shitballs man, this is really who you want to be?

[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

You trying to have a conversation or are you trying to insult me?

It’s the same concept of destroying history or literature. The bad parts of history are just as valuable as the good parts of history. Destroying the bad destroys our ability to see the full picture and learn from it.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get where the comment is coming from. I followed Qanon drops even though I know it's batshit crazy and completely untrue. I just want to know exactly what the conspiracy theorists and right wing chuds believe in. It's a "know your enemy" situation, but it also helps me to determine who to avoid and how to deal with crazy people.

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

God I fucking hope not. There are plenty of other servers that take this stance that you can sign up on. Don't try to change this instance when there's a million out there that already do what you're looking for

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[-] Madbrad200@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They suggested to me that I block their community but I will not because that is how you get a cesspit of an instance

Who cares? Just block it and carry on as normal. What other people do doesn't effect your enjoyment of lemmy at all.

Better yet, curate your own homefeed with subscriptions.

[-] lemmyshmemmy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

This is a terrible attitude to have towards disinformation.

We should defend the quality of the information we get through social media. It has considerable influence over how we perceived the world and live our lives.

[-] Madbrad200@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

There's disinformation all over the internet, I block it and get on with my life.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Disinformation affects first hand those who don't block it. It then sways them and affects everyone through democracy.

Putting blinders on doesn't solve the issue

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[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you sure your definition of disinformation is absolute truth? Maybe someone else comes along with a slightly different definition of disinformation. Which one of you makes the calls?

Why do you think this should be a global policy regulated by several admins as opposed to something we can each do ourselves?

Edit: Hey if you’re downvoting, consider contributing to the discussion by sharing why you don’t like this comment

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[-] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

The amount of idiots sitting here defending right wing propaganda trolls is fucking incredible. No one wants them, and they ruin everything they come in contact with, ban them. It's not the end of the world, and if they wanna spread their bullshit let them pay for their own server to host it on. ThE fAr LeFt nEoLiBeRaL eLiTe ArE SiLeNcInG uS. Get real, no one buys your bullshit, and no one wants to pretend to have a conversation with you

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