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YSK how to talk about the PM of the UK.
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we also like to refer to our PM as tosser or wanker
That’s Sir tosser to you!
this guy politcs
I figured this was going to be somebody wanting to talk about his politics or something like that but no it's just a pedantic Englishman pissed that people are using the wrong title
to be fair, pedantry is one of our key exports
Capital T.
Sincerest apologies m'kind fellow!
Put a comma after "apologies".
PedanTry?
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And we love you for it! My current favorite YouTuber is doing a "Star Trek Reviewed by a pedant" https://youtube.com/@unlimited_lives?si=h3DEcI8wWpVj-MgK
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Why bother getting to know their politics? The UK has been going through Prime Ministers faster than McDonalds fry cooks.
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The Right Honourable Member of Parliament Sir Keir Rodney Starmer, Knight of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, King's Council to His Royal Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, Lord of Mann, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Anything less is offensive and requires a licence.
Or you can just abbreviate that to "Cunt"
We all do it over here in blighty
The right honourable, Sir Cunt?
He's not honorable, and fuck his landed title. Just 'right cunt' is better
Here in the UK, you'll need a licence rather than a license :)
Oi mate, do you have a Loicense for that license?
He's "Sir Keir Starmer" or "Sir Keir".
Oh, so when you say it it's alright, but when we say it "it's called football". Double standards much?
Incredible username
Mother fucker! I nearly broke my tongue just trying to pronounce that in my head
What? You mean to tell me that he is not called Sir Prime Minister Mr. Keir Rodney Starmer? Unbelievable.
Unless you're Harriet Jones, Prime Minister
She looks tired
Damn you, you beat me to it
I'm not too familiar with knighthood. How did he become knighted?
He did a fairly good job as the head of criminal prosecutions in the UK for around 5 years, and he was knighted to recognise that when he stepped down
That's... it? You can get knighted for being "fairly good" at your job for half a decade, and then quitting?
Heck, I'm "fairly good" as a software developer. I'm pretty darn good actually, and have been working for more than half a decade, and I don't intend to quit. Where do I queue for one of them knightings? 😅🗡️
That's... it? You can get knighted for being "fairly good" at your job for half a decade, and then quitting?
Yes. Knighthood is generally up to the whims of the monarch. Although to make it there, it's generally expected you have an achievement significant enough to be befitting of one.
But from what I recall, there's little stopping his majesty from conferring a knighthood onto Chief Mouser Larry for his research into the napping suitability of 10 Downing Street's furniture, if he wanted to do that.
And how many millions of people are fairly good at being a software developer?
I think "fairly good" was an understatement on my part... Tim Berners-Lee got a knighthood for being "fairly good" as a software developer, as he invented the worldwide web. Kier Starmer got a knighthood for being "fairly good" as a public procecutor for handling a number of cases of national importance extremely well. What have you done that has significantly changed the country for the better?
You've got to consider the difficulty/seniority of the job, a general doing a "fairly good" job is more likely to get a medal than a private doing a "fairly good" job who'll get fuck all
Sorry if it isn't obvious – I'm facetiously joking in all of these comments. 😇 Just playing on the "fairly good" phrasing and memeing on it. 😉
Hmm depends, were quite good as Head of Software Development for the United Kingdom?
No. 😞 But maybe I could be, if all it takes is to be fairly good? 🥹
Canada's Westminster system the PM also gets Right Honourable as an title, going to assume it's similar based on some googling so you could totally use The Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer, but I've very very rarely seen news media use full titles outside of reporting on ceremonial activities.
Is there a Wrong Dishonourable title?
I think he has that title too by virtue of being an MP, not the PM.
other MPs (I assume all but could be wrong) are also Right Honourable.
Actually MPs are just 'Honourable', only Privy Council members are 'Right Honourable'.
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In fairness, this only applies in formal communication with someone from England. Even then, not everyone will choose to recognize his title, despite recognizing his position as PM.
It's still good to know! Never hurts to have understanding of formalities like this, and it's interesting. It's just that the application of it isn't going to come up often in places that aren't part of the Commonwealth
Are you allowed to not use the title? Like, could a newspaper call him starmeyboy?
Absolutely - if anything, there's a reluctance to use formal titles in the UK in general.
I used to teach at university - students and staff alike just use first names when addressing each other. When signing emails, we just use our first name, no letters, job title, anything.
It's even something specifically touched on in our orientation guide for foreign students.
As for newspapers and Prime Ministers specifically, one of the biggest newspapers, The Guardian, has a cartoonist who has always drawn David Cameron with a condom covering his head. There's absolutely no deference shown to Prime Ministers here.
Agreed in general, but I think 'Prime Minister Starmer' is fine tbh, when used by non UK media and people generally.
And titles (e.g., Miss, Ms, Mr, Mrs, Dr, Prof.) aren’t used with only the first name.
(Though the BBC likes to do this with their ‘celebrity’ doctors).
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