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NewPipe at least already doesn't use the API, it scrapes the website.
... Which it just occurred to me might be one of the reasons Google is pushing that web integrity thing. Dang.
Yep... Bummer, but completely in character and expected.
Invidious doesn't use YouTube's API. It merely requests content from YouTube either directly or through a proxy. So, I don't think it'll disappear forever unless the developers stop working on it. It's probably gonna be a game of cat and mouse where YouTube figures out how to break Invidious, and the devs keep finding a workaround.
requests content from Youtube
You mean through an API
But pretty much in the same way as the YouTube's frontend requesting content from YouTube's backend. This is an equivalent of you loading a video on YouTube then going to developer tools and copying links from the Network tab. AFAIK all tools (Invidious, Piped, yt-dl) work this way.
Yes. The problem is, it's easy for google to break it again and again and again. I think we should just end Youtube
Right, the best way to win here is just not to play. Stop watching content on YouTube altogether. Find alternative ways to watch that content, or simply don't watch it at all.
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all of these are scrapers, so they will work unless YouTube gets rid of its web version
Or if Google implements some kind of feature that requires your browser to vouch that it's not gonna play shenanigans with the page.
Nah, nobody would be that crazy.
Fair.
I think they mean something like widevine a la Netflix. Granted there are bypasses for some levels, but that could be a problem imo, iiuc that's why there aren't any alternate frontends for Netflix or HBO. I think that would also potentially mean issues playing YouTube in chromium or firefox on Linux if they used L1 (not sure what the current state of widevine on Linux is, last time I had Netflix I couldn't watch on Linux and had to use my phone or Chromecast)
Oh, thought this was an article with facts and figures, no someone's doomsaying and fear mongering....
Many YouTube's third party clients don't use an API and having a public API with built in ads is a gold mine that many of YouTube's embeds rely on for revenue. Doubt they'll destroy that anytime soon.
Along with that, many of YouTube's top creators are already looking for alternatives, floatplane, nebula etc... It just takes a mass exodus to kick start them. And you bet Google is aware of that.
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Was talking to a friend who is a senior tech dude about the YT viewing habits of our kids. Asked if he had any recommendations for alt clients and he said… just pay for YT premium 🙃
"Don't want your kids seeing ads that are absolutely not for kids? Easy! Just pay us!"
Seriously it's so hypocritical that they demonetize swearing yet show gambling, alcohol, and even the occasional barely-not-porn sexualized ad without a second thought.
It's not hypocrisy, it's for $. $ means it's not hypocrisy. Haven't you been paying attention?
Yeah because I would love to pay for attention
pay for attention
Isn't that basically what their "superchat" feature in YouTube live is? Pay money to force the host to read your comment? IDK I've never used it and don't intend to.
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To be fair, the guy just probably didn't want to become your tech support for life. :P
If you care, you can try this, assuming you meant clients for TV: https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTubeNext
I use this in my TV and it is amazing. But I won't advertise it anywhere because I'm afraid Google will just come up with a way to kill it.
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As long as youtube has RSS, you can still get videos.
I built this https://codeberg.org/mister_monster/YouTube2Peertube many years ago to help people resolve these problems.
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I welcome the rise of their replacements.
Well there's Kodi's Netflix interface, looks pretty alternative to me: https://github.com/CastagnaIT/plugin.video.netflix
There's always a way
There are a few creators who I can’t watch anywhere else, but as soon as Invidious stops working I’m out.
You can't save anything unless there's a YouTube competitor. Google can do whatever it wants.
Nah, we’ll just switch to webscraping if APIs get locked behind a paywall. Let’s see how those sites handle it when millions of people are using a scraping based client in the future. I can imagine it feeling a lot like being the victim a relentless ddos attack.
This is exactly what the proposed Web Integrity API seeks to prevent. That's what makes it terrifying.
Show me me a 10ft wall, I'll show you a 12ft ladder.
No matter what they try, there will always be someone that manages to completely bypass those bullshit blocks.
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They successfully went after Vanced 2 years ago so it's shouldn't be too far fetched for them.
And yet here I am using Revanced, which is even better than Vanced was
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it's a common theory that the only reason they went after Vanced is because the Vanced team tried to monetize the mod by introducing NFTs
Many people in modding and fan communities convince themselves that companies only go after projects if they try to make money, but we also see that happening with free projects all the time, if they get enough attention.
Seeing that Google is already sending warnings to people who try to watch YouTube with adblockers, I don't think that's what made the difference.
They went after vanced because they made money (they tried selling nfts) from from modifying google's proprietary code. NewPipe team wrote everything themselves and dont make money from google code (they probably make no money at all)
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