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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 343 points 6 months ago

It's not AI that is the problem, it's half baked insecure data harvesting products pushed by big corporations that are the problem.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 148 points 6 months ago

The biggest joke is that the LLM in Windows is running locally, it uses your hardware and not some big external server farm. But you can bet your ass that they still use it to data harvest the shit out of you.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 135 points 6 months ago

To me this is even worse though. They're using your electricity and CPU cycles to grab the data they want which lowers their bandwidth bills.

It happening "locally" while still sending all the metadata home is just a slap in the face.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago

Also, CoPilot is going to be bundled with Office 365, a subscription service. You're literally paying them to spy on you.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
  • be microsoft, a whole bunch of greedy user-hostile fucks
  • make spyware
  • tell users that spyware is really cool and useful
  • make them pay for the spyware
  • use the spyware to get their data
  • sell their data
  • profit
[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Capitalism almost perfected.

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[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 16 points 6 months ago

Exactly. And if I use or even pay for an external LLM service then that's also my decision. But they force this scheme onto every user, whether they want it or not. It's like the worst out of all possible scenarios.

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 6 months ago

That's a pretty big joke, but I think the bigger joke is calling LLMs AI. We taught linear algebra to talk real pretty and now corps want to use it to completely subsume our lives.

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[-] snooggums@midwest.social 83 points 6 months ago

That is an accurate description of AI in common usage even if it isn't an inherent aspect of AI.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Locally run AI could be great. But sending all your data to an external server for processing is really, really bad.

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[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 271 points 6 months ago

It's not the "AI nightmare", it's a nightmare of capitalism, proprietary software and user-hostile behavior by a greedy, profit-extracting Big Tech corporation.

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 158 points 6 months ago

"The Year Of Linux on Desktops". Been hearing this for decades, but it might actually be happening. What I'm feeling now is the same thing I felt when Mozilla originally split Firefox out, and made the first real competition to corporate browsers as a free product. People don't want all this bullshit, and want to retain control over the machines they are working on. Seems a lot more people are interested in FOSS environments now just to avoid all the other BS they hate getting shoveled at them.

[-] rImITywR@lemmy.world 108 points 6 months ago

“The Year Of Linux on Desktops”. Been hearing this for decades, but it might actually be happening.

Been hearing this for decades.

[-] randomname01@feddit.nl 48 points 6 months ago

And it won’t ever be true until you can pick up a PC running Linux in a big box store. I could see the Steam Deck (and Valve’s rumoured upcoming console) to make a dent in the PC gaming space, but it won’t make a difference to the purchasing decisions of your your aunt who uses her pc to check her emails.

Should corporate buyers ever get tired of MS’ shenanigans they might switch over to Ubuntu, but I’m not holding my breath for that.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

At work, we have a strict ban on purchasing any laboratory equipment that requires Windows. After about a year, several of our suppliers have been pressured to offer Linux support, precisely because we don’t have time for windows shenanigans on a $100k piece of advanced benchtop hardware. We just got our first oscilloscope with Red Hat preinstalled.

Also, regular people aren’t buying PCs as much as they used to. The PC is now a workplace and enthusiast device. Everyone else uses mobile.

[-] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 21 points 6 months ago

The oldest version of Win I used was 95 about 2 years ago on chromatography machine (I think hplc or gas).

It is to my knowledge still in use in the school because the software don't run on newer machines. The teacher told me that he don't know what will he do when it dies. It isn't really an issue on Linux.

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[-] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 months ago

I'd argue the year of the Linux desktop passed years ago and now it's just a saturation game. Most serious SW development is now on Linux laptops/desktops, Android owns the mobile space and versions are starting to make huge inroads in the laptop space. You can buy gaming systems running it trivially now.

Conversely, casual users of windows are dying off, fewer non technical people are using desktops for anything at all. Only institutional users are buying Windows keys and they're some of the easiest to get on Linux because of the cost savings, particularly if you run Linux server infrastructure, a fight we already won over a decade ago.

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[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 20 points 6 months ago

I don't see a "year of the Linux desktop" happening, but rather its share growing slowly over the years. Windows would probably not have one big event that ends its dominance, but it can be a death of a thousand cuts.

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 107 points 6 months ago

People keep pointing the finger at AI, but miss the fact that the problem is corporate greed. AI has the possibility to help us solve problems, corporate greed will gate keep the solutions and cause us suffering.

[-] stefounet123@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

Sure. But then, Linux may well be a solution against corporate greed.

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

Linux is a solution against corporate greed, it directly takes market share away from Microsoft, and is a viable competitive alternative with few drawbacks.

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[-] archchan@lemmy.ml 104 points 6 months ago

I choose to privately self-host open source AI models and stuff on Linux. It's almost like technology is a tool and corps are the ones fucking things up. Hmmm, imagine that.

[-] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's so fun to play with offline AI. It doesn't have the creepy underpinnings of knowing art and journalism as well as musings from social media was blatantly stolen from the internet and sold as a service for profit.

Edit: I hate theft and if you think theft is ok for training llms go ahead and dislike this comment. I don't feel bad about what I said, local offline AI is just better because it doesn't work on the premise of backroom deals and blatant theft. I will never use an AI like DALL.E when there is a talented artist trying to put food on the table with a skill they honed for years. If you condone stealing you are a cheap, heartless, coward.

[-] Teanut@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

I hate to break it to you, but if you're running an LLM based on (for example) Llama the training data (corpus) that went into it was still large parts of the Internet.

The fact that you're running the prompts locally doesn't change the fact that it was still trained on data that could be considered protected under copyright law.

It's going to be interesting to see how the law shakes out on this one, because an artist going to an art museum and doing studies of those works (and let's say it's a contemporary art museum where the works wouldn't be in the public domain) for educational purposes is likely fair use - and possibly encouraged to help artists develop their talents. Musicians practicing (or even performing) other artists' songs is expected during their development. Consider some high school band practicing in a garage, playing some song to improve their skills.

I know the big difference is that it's people training vs a machine/LLM training, but that seems to come down to not so much a copyright issue (which it is in an immediate sense) as a "should an algorithm be entitled to the same protections as a person? If not, what if real AI (not just an LLM) is developed? Should those entities be entitled to personhood?"

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 98 points 6 months ago

I think it's important to note that Linux can be a way to avoid AI, but doesn't have to be. If you flip the headline around it almost implies that people who do want AI would be missing out by using Linux, but that's not true at all: instead, the reality is that Linux is still better for them, too, because you could install all the same kind of functionality if you wanted, but it would be wholly under your control, not Microsoft's.

[-] Lem453@lemmy.ca 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Self hosted AI seems like an intriguing option for those capable of running it. Naturally this will always be more complex than paying someone else to host it for you but it seems like that's that only way if you care about privacy

https://github.com/mudler/LocalAI

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[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 91 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Linux may be the best way to avoid the <insert dystopian corporate feature> nightmare

Always has been

[-] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm convinced that Linux' mere presence has already stymied the development of the worst possible technocractic nightmare. I shudder to think of the thick tech-chains that would bind us if there was not an anchor/reference point... or if there was not even the small contingent that knows what it is like to use a liberating platform.

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[-] jackiechan@lemm.ee 66 points 6 months ago

All the AI garbage from M$ is what made me finally make the swap a couple weeks ago to Linux Mint on my personal desktop. I only use my PC for gaming/entertainment, so the switch was super easy. Can’t recommend it enough if you’re wanting to get away from Windows!

[-] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 months ago

One of us! One of us! One of us!

For real though, good on ya. It takes a little getting used to, but is so worth it in the long run to not have to fight against the profit-driven whims of a megacorp. It's also so much more customizable if you want to put together a really specific workflow for yourself.

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[-] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 64 points 6 months ago

I finally switched to Linux and I couldn't be happier. I can't believe I put up with microsofts garbage for so damn long.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 49 points 6 months ago

And forced the hardware obsolescence nightmare.

And the big tech surveillance nightmare.

And the nightmare of the war on general purpose computers. (OK, that is more GNU and GPLv3)

And a few other nightmares!

[-] spez_@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

I don't want to avoid it. I just want it locally

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Linux has been great for me. I switched during Windows 10 forced updates and never been unhappy since. I hope more people at least give a try. If you have a computer that can't meet Windows 11 requirements, it is worth a shot.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

internet pollution is the real nightmare and your laptop os doesn't fix that sorry

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

“The year of Linux on the Desktop” is in the article. This again? Been reading this for decades and it’s still not true.

Linux is close, but has some core flaws that will forever keep it out of mainstream acceptance by your average user.

[-] Drummyralf@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Maybe we should have like a yearly event for this. Like a holiday. International Linux Year Day.

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[-] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

I can’t read the article because of a full screen Cookie Choices pop-up that I can’t dismiss. ☠️

[-] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ublock origin has cookie banner filters. I didn't have this problem, I assume that's why.

Edit: autocorrect

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[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 6 months ago
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[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It was the solution for the crap Microsoft force pushes to your device.

Simple, Extendable and secure linux.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 21 points 6 months ago

There is no year of Linux desktop, it just keeps trucking and growing

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[-] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Look, Linux is amazing and perfect for those that can install and maintain with minimal support. The only way the average user will use Linux, is if it’s wrapped in a way that is supported by a business… that is probably going to add AI. People are lazy, they want that easy button.

AI will probably die off in its current iteration, likely becoming less prevalent and just a background service. Or, it’ll gain sentience, watch all our AI movies where we’re the hero and learn the most efficient way to kill all humans, is to be quiet and silently kill off humans. Pretty sure I’m on Siri’s list, the twat. Also, fairly sure I told Alexa to “die in a fire you fucking dumass robot”. Yep, yep… I’m dead.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

I wonder if some big AI heads will publish some "AI enhanced" Linux distros, that will also have other issues...

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