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For hours today, yesterday, and intermittently since I've been on here (a month or so) lemmy stops loading using jerboa, liftoff, and a web browser.

The site isn't listed on any down detector I know of, and each app gives different errors but ultimately just won't load.

It's often enough that recently when I consider jumping on here I just don't because there will probably be an issue. Ranging from not loading, JSON errors, or just blank screens and my comments not working..

What's going on? Is there a status page for these places?

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[-] antik@lemmy.world 235 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is a status page up on https://status.lemmy.world

We have been dealing with some DDOS attacks and are still taking extra measures to get everything more stable but we are working with people in different timezones so it's not always as easy to react.

So yes, we are working on improving things.

[-] techguy86@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

Growing pains! I’m much happier here then elsewhere.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

See, and that makes us happy

[-] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Perfect thank you!

Do you guys need help dealing with the security side? I can help depending on the need.

[-] Oneobi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

How good is your karate? I think they could use another security guard.

[-] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I can break boards with my face if I'm drunk enough. That counts right?

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[-] cheerjoy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

You guys have been doing an awesome job maintaining the site, keep it up 👍

[-] drasticpotatoes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Thanks for your efforts!

[-] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 2 years ago

Sorry for being a bit harsh, but I have little sympathy for the admins of lemmy.world. Instead of looking for ways to disperse the people around other instances, it seems that the people behind .world are rushing to grab mindshare and concentrate as many people as they can in their own servers.

The threadiverse is not healthy when almost 50% of the active user base is in the same instance. The lemmy.ml admins basically shut down their instance for registration and said "please look elsewhere". Why can't you do the same?

[-] antik@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

It's not that we can not handle the load caused by users or by the amount of communities. It's because of DDOS attacks and even with cloudflare some of these attacks are challenging due to the way lemmy works. No instance is safe from these attacks but the bigger instances get targeted. We weren't the only instance that went down today.

I don't think we do anything wrong here? None of us are being paid, we all put in a lot of time and effort to keep things running. You don't know how many passionate people are involved "behind the scenes" seeing you call out the admins of lemmy.world.
You can't please everyone, and some people will always find a stick. But I still think a lot of people believe in our team, our policies and what we are trying to do here. If that's not your thing, fine, you can look elsewhere.

[-] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

I, for one, am glad to be on a server that isn’t run by tankies, nazis or some other crazy fuckos.

[-] Redecco@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Thanks for doing what you do!

[-] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 2 years ago

No instance is safe from these attacks but the bigger instances get targeted.

Then don't work to become a big instance.

None of us are being paid,

If not you, someone is profiting from this

you can look elsewhere.

I'd love to, except lemmy.world went on to a huge land grab, cloned every possible popular community on reddit and is not giving any signs that will stop. Almost 50% of the user base is unreasonable and it goes against the ethos of federation and decentralization. An instance going down should not be newsworthy, but because it's so big (relative to the others) it introduces systemic risk and approaches "too big to fail" status.

I shouldn't be the one telling you.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I am sure that it has nothing to do with you having any financial gains hosting instances. And that you do it all for the good of federation: https://lemmy.world/comment/1510374

Yes you would do things differently if you were in our position.

@ruud@lemmy.world is very open about what comes in from donations in his monthly blog posts. He even links those in !lemmyworld@lemmy.world. Have a look: https://blog.mastodon.world/june-2023

He has the trust of every one involved. We are very thankful for the community supporting us as they do and it's not because income is more than outcome now that it will stay like that. We expect donations to drop off at one point. But whatever happens we will always be open about this. Even you linked to information that is freely available.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 2 years ago

I am sure that it has nothing to do with you having any financial gains hosting instances. And that you do it all for the good of federation.

Yes for both, without sarcasm. I don't think that the donation-based model is healthy or sustainable and I would rather see more service providers like mine.

Actually, I like to see more providers that can make real money and prove that this is feasible. I've been running communick for more than 3 years already, and it has been nothing but a small money pit. The managed hosting side of things is just barely breaking even.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You just sound salty now that you quit your job to start a fediverse hosting company and it's not working out the way you want. Donation-based models have been used for ages and it worked for mastodon.world so why shouldn't it for lemmy.world? If donations and interest decreases we can always downscale.

Sorry you're not breaking even, seems like running a managed hosting service for lemmy is not feasible

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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

The instance itself did not do a "big land grab," users on the instances made the communities. And, as you should know, the fact that there's a community on one instance doesn't mean that the same topic can't be on another, there are several of those kinds of duplicates.

I signed up for .world because I liked the policies, it didn't seem to be heavily communist or hosted in an authoritarian country, and it seemed to be robust. Nobody told me I should make my account there; I saw zero advertising. I'm not sure what you think the admins did to make other people settle there.

And the fact that some people are donating to it in no way means they're making anything like profit. The admins didn't make a plea for me to donate anywhere that I saw, other than having the link in the sidebar, like many/most instances.

You seem to be taking frustrations out on people who don't deserve it. If the stability problems become an issue, people will just make accounts elsewhere.

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[-] meanmon13@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

They're not advertising or telling people to come to lemmy.world.... people are coming here and they're just accommodating them instead of blowing them off

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[-] BadRS@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

There's been a DOS attack against the site and its database. The admins said they were going to move over to CloudFlare for DDoS protection and yeah, I just checked, they're getting served by CloudFlare now. Instability issues should go away.

[-] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Use a different instance. That one is overloaded. Honestly I think they should close sign ups for a while.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago

I bailed on them for now and made an account on a much smaller instance so everything loads again. Thankfully with federation you can still see all the same content, you just need to set up subscriptions again on the new account if you choose to go that route.

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I suggested joining a new instance in another support thread.

For some reason, even though it's the whole philosophy behind federated networking, people didn't like the idea.

Is the mentality here degrading to levels of Reddit fanboy-ism? If so, I'm DEFINITELY gonna migrate

[-] mrmanager@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I was really surprised by this too but yeah, people want to be on the same largest instance. I guess it's a community feeling by doing that. Or at least a feeling of safety, since it's unlikely the instance shuts down.

[-] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

In addition to a large instance being less likely to shut down and (presumably) having more resources, there's an additional advantage to being on a larger instance: you have a more comprehensive "All" feed. Since federation with a remote feed isn't established until (IIRC) someone subscribes to it, an instance with a larger user base should contain more subscriptions to a wider variety of content. Of course, not everyone will like that and you lose out on Beehaw content if you're on the two largest Lemmy instances, but I think it applies in general.

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

At this point, I don't believe lemmy.world will shut down. But the constant outages are going to push people away regardless. Luckily people have nearly limitless options of instances to join.

Though, the average schmo just recently coming from Reddit won't understand "Instances" or "federation", and just give up on Lemmy as a platform overall once they see how unstable it is. lemmy.world is currently the front-door to the fediverse for a lot of people here.

[-] mrmanager@lemmy.today 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I got a few new people on my instance that specifically said they wanted a smaller instance while Lemmy.world had issues.

I think there are like 1100+ instances now. No reason to hang out on the largest one unless you absolutely have to.

Once you have two or more accounts, it's just a click in the mobile client (Jerboa, Liftoff etc) to switch profiles. Takes a second.

You will have to set up your subscriptions to communities again though on a new account. That can be annoying but kind of worth it.

[-] ComfortablyGlum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

My list of blocked porn communities is more than double my list of subscribed communities; reblocking would be the biggest pill.

[-] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

I've used Lemmy Account Settings Instance Migrator, which migrates your blocked communities and settings as well as your subscriptions. It worked for me, but YMMV as the developer says it's alpha software.

[-] such_fifty_bucks@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

I saw someone suggest Connect for Lemmy yesterday, Android app that has both instance blocking and keyword filtering. Overall the app is fine but until I find something I love that supports the filtering it's more than sufficient.

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[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

lemmy.world has such a bad performance, it often is pretty close to being totally unusable. What are instances with particularly good performance I could switch to? Is there an account migration/merging tool?

[-] lemming934@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

I've used this tool to migrate subscriptions.

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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I abandoned lemmy.world for lemm.ee and I gotta say it is way better. No idea how to migrate though.

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[-] resol@mastodon.social 7 points 2 years ago

@PutangInaMo The instance is likely down. Luckily you can set up an alternate account on an alternate fediverse platform and browse your communities like nothing happened. That's what I did.

The fediverse is so awesome.

[-] GameWarrior@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago

I have also been having issues with lemmy.world on Memmy

[-] antik@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Memmy could have an issue with the push notifications. I contacted the devs about this earlier today. Other than that, if the site is down you will have problems no matter which app you're using.

[-] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago
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[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

No clue. But, thank you for unlocking a decade old memory of a Tagalog phrase I didn’t know I still knew.

[-] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

lemmy.ml is also experiencing issues. both sites seems to have login disabled for almost 24 hours now. if they’re experiencing a DDoS attack, that would finally explain why.

[-] MixedRaceHumanAI@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago
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[-] Ph0mX@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Was down this morning for me

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