Anytime you see a password length cap you know they are not following current security standards. If they aren't following them for something so simple and visible, you'd better believe it's a rat infested pile of hot garbage under the hood, as evidenced here.
you have to limit it somewhere or you're opening yourself up for a DoS attack
password hashing algorithms are literally designed to be resource intensive
Edited to remove untrue information. Thanks for the corrections everyone.
Incorrect.
They're designed to be resource intensive to calculate to make them harder to brute force, and impossible to reverse.
Some literally have a parameter which acts as a sliding scale for how difficult they are to calculate, so that you can increase security as hardware power advances.
Hashes are one way functions. You canāt get from hash back to input
Are you saying that any site which does not allow a 27 yobibyte long password is not following current security standards?
I think a 128 character cap is a very reasonable compromise between security and sanity.
Atleast this is reasonable, I have seen some website don't allow more than 6 character.
At least it's 128
I had a phone carrier that changed from a pin to a "password" but it couldn't be more than 4 characters
In theory yes. But in practice the DB will almost always have some cap on the field length. They could just be exposing that all the way forward. Especially depending on their infastructure it could very well be that whatever modeling system they use is tightly integrated with their form generation too. So the dev (junior or otherwise) thought it would be a good idea to be explicit about the requirement
That said, you are right that this is still wrong. They should use something with a large enough cap that it doesn't matter and also remove the copy telling the use what that cap is
Hashing will make every password the same length.
Right but that puts a limit on the hash algorithmās input length. After a certain length you canāt guarantee a lack of collisions.
Of course the probability stays low, but at a certain point it becomes possible.
Collisions have always been a low concern. If, for arguments sake, I.hate.password. had a collision with another random password like kag63!gskfh-$93+"ja the odds of the collision password being cracked would be virtually non-existent. It's not a statistically probable occurrence to be worried about.
yup yup. Forgot we were talking about a protected field and not just raw data
You misunderstand the issue. The length of the password should not have any effect on the size of the database field. The fact that it apparently does is a huge red flag. You hash the password and store the hash in the db. For example, a sha256 hash is always 32 bytes long, no matter how much data you feed into it (btw, donāt use sha256 to hash passwords, it was just an example. Itās not a suitable password hashing algorithm as itās not slow enough).
ur absolutely right. Idk why I was thinking about it like a normal text/char field
At my job they just forced me to use a minimum 15-character password. Apparently my password got compromised, or at least that was someoneās speculation because apparently not everyone is required to have a 15-char password.
My job is retail, and I type my password about 50 times a day in the open, while customers and coworkers and security cameras are watching me.
I honestly donāt know how Iām expected to keep my password secure in these circumstances. We should have physical keys or biometrics for this. Passwords are only useful when you enter them in private.
Yeah you should have a key card. Like not even from a security perspective but from an efficiency one. Tap a keycard somewhere that would be easily seen if an unauthorized person were to even touch or even swipe it if need be. Iām sick and tired of passwords at workplaces when they can be helped
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I know this a a joke, but please use a password manager, it is such a game changer.
Bitwarden is free and E2E encrypted and if you want additonal feature, they only cost 10 bucks pre year. You can even use it with anonaddy to hide your email, which is also totally free and open source.
What are those premium features? I never felt like I was missing something from the free bitwarden
You can have it generate 2FA TOTP.
2FA one time code was the reason I got premium (and obviously support FOSS project). It is a slight security downgrade, but a whole lot of QOL upgrade.
I also imagine hardware key support like yubikey would be very appealing for many.
yubikey/fido2 support is what I'd probably consider premium for
Iām already using Bitwarden but I hadnāt heard about anonaddy, thanks for the tip!
They work like a miracle together https://bitwarden.com/blog/add-privacy-and-security-using-email-aliases-with-bitwarden/
What is even more surprising is that even the free tier is perfectly usable, but consider paying if you have the money to support them.
I know it's annoying that the password "doesn't match", but ... a 128 character limit?! I'd like to see THAT fully utilized lol.
(PS: the sentence above is exactly 128 characters, just for a comparison.)
...and I bet once you want to change it you get the "your new password can not be the old password" error message just because.
An acquaintance of mine has a 36 characters long passcode for his tablet that he manually puts in every time he wants to use it.
And you can use password managers to make secure passwords without ever having to input them yourself.
That is a very good idea if you want to disincentivise yourself from using your tablet
He doesnt use it outside of school stuff and even then prefers to write things on paper, I dont think that he has to make disincentives.
One is clearly uppercase 'i' and the other lowercase 'L'
This is even more infuriating than getting "password incorrect" going in and getting a recovery password, then trying to change passwords to the one you initially used and getting "new password can't be the same as old password."
Those are L.hateā¦ and i.hateā¦, am I seeing that correctly?
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Seems like they don't consider a period to be a "special character"
Thatās not the issue here as the special character check passes. Itās the validation between the two fields thatās broken.
Most probably not broken at all.
I.hate.password.
l.hate.password.
The first is a capital i, the second is a lower case L.
I noticed as well. I tested for it by zooming in and seeing if their tops align with the top of the h. Capital I is shorter than lower case L
So OP is a big fat phony?
OP here, reading all the comments and theories as to why the I or L or whatever isn't a match. I copy and pasted it after it didn't like my typing skills, tried it twice and no go... I believe the periods aren't an acceptable special character even though they technically are. It also would not accept spaces in-between words, I was first gonna use "I hate password" for my password but no go there.
The password it accepted was weak AF, two "stupid-words" strung together.
No, one is an uppercase āIā while the other is a lowercase āL.ā lI ā you can see the difference when you compare it to the nearby āh.ā
Ah, so OP was up to shenanigans??? I should have suspected as much from that mischievous miscreant!!!
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