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[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago

One tip that isn't mentioned is DITCH THE CONICAL TIP, USE A CHISEL TIP.

Conical tips have terrible thermal contact, as they have both poor surface area in contact. Also the tip is further from the heating element, preventing it from heating faster.

Additionally that tiny point doesn't store any heat, it cools down significantly as soon as it touches anything. A broad chisel tip stores more heat and is far more appropriate for through hole joints like this.

[-] bitfucker@programming.dev 27 points 5 months ago

Great, now I can blame my past shitty soldering job to the tips!

In all seriousness, thanks for the tips!

[-] mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I'll give you the tip. But only the tip >:|

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

conicals are good for the small smd parts though, when having a huge contact area and big thermal mass means completely desoldering the part and dragging it off the board when you pull away.

of course, those aren't the conicals on a $20 orange handle plug in iron...

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I use a j tip for fine SMD. You still have a fine point but you also have a broad elbow good for drag soldering and other larger components.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 34 points 5 months ago

If you have problems, you should probably add flux (make sure to extract fumes if soldering with flux for a while). Some say there is never enough flux.

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Remember that all the flux you use will need to be cleaned off eventually. That can sometimes be a pain if there's a lot.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

I know, I mentioned it in that long comment

[-] elrik@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Step 2 has never been very clear to me and this diagram doesn't seem to explain it either.

  • Do you touch the tip of the solder to the iron, the pin, or the pad?

  • Do you push the tip of the solder down into the pad, draw it up along the pin, or pull it away as it melts?

  • Why does the solder sometimes flow onto the iron instead of staying on the pad?

[-] curled@lemm.ee 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  • touch the tip of the solder where the iron meets the pad or the pin

  • try to get as much contact with both the pad as the pin as you can

  • the pad could be dirty or not hot enough. Especially when the pad is connected to a ground or power plane layer in the PCB it may take longer than expected to reach a sufficient temperature. Usually adding some flux helps remove any dirt.

[-] elrik@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Thank you kind internet stranger!

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  • Do you push the tip of the solder down into the pad, draw it up along the pin, or pull it away as it melts?

According to what I remembered, you don't move the solder at step 2, but when you are almost finished (step 3-4), you should pull it up along the pin.

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Both, which is why conical tips suck. They make poor contact with the pin and pad. With a chisel tip you make good contact with the pin and pad

You add some solder to the tip, then drag it across the pin and pad. Solder flows towards heat and if the joint is properly heated the solder should flow beautifully.

Sometimes the pad isn't heated (probably because the conical tip isn't heating it) and doesn't want to stick to the pad. It can also be due to oxidation on the joint surface. Add some flux to the surface and try again, allowing the iron to melt and activate the flux.

[-] heckypecky@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

1 if all parts are hot, it shouldn't matter. As soon as you touch anything with the solder, it should distribute evenly around the pad and component.

2 you just feed it into the joint

  1. If you are not quick enough, the flux in the solder evaporates and it becomes sticky. At this point, clean it and start fresh. Other possibility is that you didn't heat part and component enough for the solder to flow
[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Additionally:

  • What do I do if solder doesn't stick to contact points?
  • What to do if there are plastic parts in contact with pad, like a button, or there's wire insulation that starts to melt before the solder does?
  • How do I clean the tip if I accidentally poked it into plastic?
  • How do I detach a part that has bent pins inside the solder layer?
  • What does flux do, exactly?
  • What's the difference between liquid flux and flux-core solder?
  • How do I prevent oxidation from occurring on copper wires?
  • How hot does the iron needs to be?
  • Do I need a heat gun?
  • How do I hold the wire, iron, solder and the board if I only have two hands?
[-] elrik@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

How do I hold the wire, iron, solder and the board if I only have two hands?

This! I found a nice set of "helping hands" and they're.. really helpful!

[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Which brand are you using? I've tried a couple generic sets, but they were so light that I could topple them over by just blowing really hard.

[-] elrik@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

KOTTO brand with magnetic base. The arms and base are very sturdy.

[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

It does indeed look pretty sturdy and ergonomic. Thanks! I'll definitely order one when I'll be able to receive shippings again.

[-] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago

This works great if everything is fresh and new, now post a guide about cleaning up/redoing 20 year old solder without burning a hole in the board ๐Ÿ˜…

That solder wick stuff makes me want to rage

[-] capnminus@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Add generous amount of flux and fresh solder to it

[-] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Utilize Flux and alcohol. Clean with alcohol utilizing a wipe-clean-wipe method. After soldering with Flux, clean off residual Flux with alcohol. Leaving Flux can promote corrosion. My phone keeps autocorrecting Flux to capitalize it, and I don't care enough to fix it. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Edit: Do not use clinical isopropyl alcohol solutions (~70% whatever). Those solutions need some water to work as a disinfectant. You want as little water as possible (>99% solution).

Believe it or not, isopropyl alcohol leaves residue behind. If you've ever wiped a shiny metal surface with it, you might see it looks a bit duller. Wiping after using alcohol is attempting to remove the residue to give the cleanest bonding surface possible.

[-] mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Fun fact, the only way you are getting > 96.2% alcohol is with a molecular sieve and some other random wack shizzle.

Don't drink more than 96%. It's not natural. It's also poisonous.

[-] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I couldn't remember what the standard industrial solution was. All I could remember is that it's impossible to have 100% because water is introduced to the solution the moment it's exposed to air.

[-] homura1650@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

It's not impossible, just difficult. Depending on how water free you actually need the result do be, you might be able to get away with just a dehumidifier. If that is not good enough, you can put your entire purification process in a box and flood it with an inrert gas like argon or nitrogen. Storing this is not that difficult, but you need to be sure you are in a moisture free environment whenever you open the container.

Another interesting difficulty is you cannot direct distil it to beyond around 90%, because at that concetration water and isopropyl has the same boiling point. So, you need to mix in another chemical like benzene to distill out the water, then you can distill out the addidive as a second step.

[-] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

What are the ideal iron temps for your typical solder? I have an old Weller system and I feel like my results are way too inconsistent.

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Probably because it is a "dumb iron" with no thermal control. As soon as it touches anything it cools way down. Nowadays fortunately, cartridge tip irons are cheap if you're willing to buy from China. Cartridge tips have the heating element and temp probe built directly into the tip, heat up and adjust extremely fast to thermal loads.

[-] JamesNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

As mentioned, you need the pad to be hot for the solder to wick onto it. There is missing info in step 1. Step 1 should say to have a slightly wet iron (solder on the iron). You used this molten solder as the heat transfer medium. Hold the iron so the wet solder on it is touching the pad and lead. This gives more surface area for the heat to travel from the iron to the pad. A dry iron touching a pad will have poor thermal connection, so the pad will take a long time to heat up.

[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think an apt comparison is touching hot stuff with a wet glove. With a dry glove, the heat has to conduct through the fabric before heating your hand. With a wet glove, the heat is conducting through the water and burning your hand. The solder, like the water in the wet glove, is a bridge for the iron to transfer heat efficiently to the pad.

I think a lot of hobby soldering guides really neglect the idea of heat transfer and thermal mass.

[-] onion@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

Have you tried eutectic solder? (63/37 tin/lead)

[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

They make an entire guide now just to insult me with their last word, hmpf!

[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

Adafruit my beloved

Highly recommend taking an IPC Cert course if you are able!

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 5 months ago

Do I just search my local community college for "IPC"? Or look somewhere else?

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