This is wild. Here in the UK we just transfer money from bank to bank in an instant using the banks own app.
How long has it been that way? We've never had that here in the states...
It’s so normal that I can’t actually remember it ever being any different. Even before the advent of mobile banking it was the same with internet banking. Instant transfers.
In the US we have Zelle which is free and instant, but it's still a third party your bank integrates
In Australia we've had free next business day transfers for as long as I can remember. Decades.
The transition to transfers that clear in seconds was happened gradually as bottlenecks were removed from the infrastructure one by one. Some transactions were instant a couple decades ago, but it's only in the last few years that most transactions are instant here.
These days, Visa/Mastercard are basically the slowest way you can pay someone. It's still the most commonly used option though, since it has the best fraud protection.
Same in Poland. That, and Blik system which let's you send money to a phone number (if it's also registered with Blik) and it's actually instant. Not "next transfer window" like Elixir transfers, instant.
And yes, completely free.
The US has this, it's called Zelle, every bank seems to have it, and it's instantaneous. For some reason it's just not popular, probably because Paypal and others are already entrenched.
In Spain we have Bizum - transfer money using a persons mobile phone number (as long as you’re both registered with your bank). Instant and free
Same in Canada. It's like going back in time when crossing the border when it comes to banking and payment.
Welcome to 2003!
-Signed: Canada.
For real, we’ve had e-transfer forever…
We had bank to bank and bank to merchant over the internet in 1996. And by 2003 the interac e-transfer for customer to customer had rolled out countrywide.
The history is actually pretty impressive.
Wait. US banks don't have e-transfer????
Yeah we're in the fucking stone age over here. No federal e-transfer, all private healthcare, practically no public transport besides in some of the bigger cities, and even that isnt very good most of the time. Also still using imperial, way behind on a lot of tech legislation, basically relying on EU rules to carry over. There's a reason we're the 3rd world country of 1st world countries
While I’ve used PayPal for, holy shit, decades… my recent need to move cash around with my Gen Z children caused me to venture into Venmo and CashApp. While I’m skeptical of the proper execution of anything new the federal government introduces, I can’t imagine they could create a WORSE experience than these new-age, middle-man processors. I’ve had to call my bank more times in the last two weeks to unlock fraud alerts than I have in the past twenty years. Then, after doing that, the damned processors themselves start declining $5 transactions for no apparent reason. I’d sooner poke myself in the eye than try to make a payment.
Venmo is owned by PayPal.
Please! I’m so tired of everything being a private company that lobbies for stuff to stay the same. Places like Turbo Tax being a huge example of why it’s so ridiculous to file taxes in the US, where as in every other first world nation it’s either simple or the government does it for you
In other countries the incentive is to get you to pay your taxes, in the US the incentive is to get you to pay tax filing companies.
Finally, it's ridiculous we have to pay fees to a private company just to easily transfer money.
Finger crossed it'll be compatible with IBAN/SWIFT banking so we can actually be a part of the International community.
So in the UK we have had a standard free "instant" payment system between banks for what feels like a couple of decades now (and compatibility with the IBAN for at least half that time). Given that, how has this taken so long? What did people do before Venmo?
Yup, as if a ghost showed up and took a quarter for every dollar you gave to someone.
For those that don't know in the US even if you use a third party system the final settlement of the money still has to go through the Fed and it's usually as either a Wire or an ACH transaction. ACH is slow and batch processes which can be daily. Wire can be quicker but more expensive. Some banks give you access to funds sooner but it's still not settled until that NACHA batch file goes through the Fed.
Anyway there are two instant payment systems coming to the US: RTP (by the Automated Clearing House (ACH)) and FedNow.
Outside the US they've already had other instant payment systems.
americans you've got it only now?
Honestly, once it reaches critical mass. It will mean the end of PayPal, Venmo et al AND the credit card industry as a whole.
I think between rewards and actual credit, credit cards will probably be fine, but I'm curious if you think this solves for either of these use cases.
Yeah I'm failing to see how this replaces either of those benefits...
I doubt it will hit the credit card industry that much. We have something like this in Canada, Interac, and credit cards are alive and well. They may actually prefer this, because people who keep zero balances may be less inclined to use credit cards instead of debit cards and there may be a larger market of businesses with card-processing capability to cater to those who have debit cards but don't have the credit to obtain credit cards.
We have something like this in Canada, Interac
Interac is not the same thing at all, the US equivalent is Zelle.
FedNow does instant EFT payments, which is something Canada does not have.
I used to live in the US before and payments between banks/accounts/government entities where a disaster and confusing unless you were using Zelle IF the other person had Zelle.
I live in Brasil now and I'm surprises of how much more efficient the payment processes are here.
I used to have to pay the USCIS with checks, sending about $500 a year by mail (USPS), something that gave me so much anxiety I could barely sleep because I could barely afford it and it could just... get lost.
Today I paid for my permanent Visa here in Brasil and all ot took was reading a QR code and the website auto-updated as soon as I made the payment. That same service you can use it to transfer money to people, stores, supermarkets, anything you can think of.
Maybe some people prefer the old fashioned way but my question is, wh my is the US still using mail and checks in 2023?
With the USCIS specifically it's because they're bound by laws that are meant to create pain and reduce the number of people who successfully navigate the system. Stupid xenophobes won't let us have a functional immigration system.
UPI is the best mode of payment. I doubt anyone can change my mind.
UPI and ONDC are two great things that India has. The latter still needs lot's of development and attention though.
I would add Digilocker as well. Completed removed my need for a wallet. But it's not as great as these 2
Run by the feds.......yea what could go wrong there.
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