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[-] peanuts4life 71 points 6 months ago

This is based on a cool, but ultimately incorrect historical theory called "phantom time." The general premise being that European history (and world history) was mostly fabricated as propaganda by royalty. It wouldn't be so crazy except, a) archeology exist and validates certain medieval records and b) non European Nations exist, and record their own interactions with Western Nations.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Right. And even leaving radiocarbon dating aside, you can't really cheat dendrochronology unless you make a gargantuan effort with the specific point of doing so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology

Any piece of wood can potentially be dated if it is large enough. Pieces of wood like roof beams in buildings.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

The Gregorian calendar didn’t go into effect until 1582. Because it’s a modification of the Julian calender. Which replaced the Roman calender.

Almost like there’s a continuity or something.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 16 points 6 months ago

The Gregorian calendar didn’t go into effect until 1582.

And 1583. And 1589. And 1587 and 1610 and 1700. And also 1752, 1873/74, 1916, 1918, 1923, and 1926/27.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 36 points 6 months ago

Wait until this guy hears that time is just something we made up/invented!

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Until we invented it everything was happening at once. It was chaos!

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

That was back when the world was black and white. I've seen the pictures.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

look at the username and this context

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

We did not invent time. Nor did we make it up.

[-] kralk@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Correct! It was the bourgeoisie looking for ways to control factory workers

[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago

All words are made up

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Time is the curvature of space or the 4th dimension or both.

The way humans keep track of future events is indeed made up but is also grounded in celestial movements of the sun moon and earth.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Easy, it's 1715894564 after Jan 1 1970 00:00:00.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

it has been approximately 12000 years since our ancestors constructed what are now the ruins at Gobekli Tepe. But saying it's been exactly 12,000 years would be silly, so let's toss in some variation and call it the present 12,024 years since then. I like this because it puts the history we presently call "ancient" into perspective. By this measure, the bronze age began around the year 6,800 and its collapse happened around the year 8,800. Two thousand years, our species toiled at working bronze. Yes, a lot of explosive progress (some of it literal) happened in the 11,900s, but it took us over eleven thousand years to get there in the first place. We're really not so far from the 11,500s when we were just getting used to connecting the whole globe with transoceanic trade. It seriously stunts our achievements to write off everything that happened prior to year 10,000 as if it were irrelevant.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

And humanity existed for hundreds of thousands of years before that.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

oh yes! Anatomically modern humans have been around for like 200,000 years before we developed agriculture and started to develop permanent settlements!

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

I think the number is 600,000 years for how long we've been around in total.

I completely agree with you. If you actually think about it seriously our history as a species is amazing. Things like the discovery channel with the "Aliens" guy piss me off. It's a fundamental disrespect of what real people have done, and what we're capable of.

The long ramp up to what we have right now today is fascinating. No other animal has ever done anything like we have. From loin clothes to fire to farming is mind blowing. Hell, just one of those things is already way past every other species to ever live.

[-] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

They kinda seem like jerks. My 𝘏𝘰𝘮𝘰s tended to get along best in groups of a dozen dozen, enjoyed gossip, killing Neanderthals, and their fave: magical thinking.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Why Gobekli Tepe? Karahan Tepe is likely significantly older. We may find something older still.

[-] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Just the fact that we've pushed back the point where early hominids were controlling and cooking with fire to some 2 million years in the past. Burying dead to 250,000 years.

I'm totally willing to believe there are much earlier signs of what we would call complex societal behavior like those temples and the infrastructure required to build them. We're just going to get better at detecting and dating it as time passes imo.

It's sad that we will likely never know why they did any of this stuff. It's probably all very familiar to us even now, but wouldn't it be fascinating to know how far back our "modern" behaviors go.

[-] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Kurzgesagt Time! They have a 12,024 Human Era calendar (but it's sold out :/ ). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

The reality is that it doesn’t matter. It’s all arbitrary.

What matters is we all agree on it.

[-] BoxerDevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

But we don't all agree. I can think 3 different year systems that are still used today in other countries

[-] reattach@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

My son struggled with the similar concept of daylight saving time this year.

He's 6 though - I'm sure he'll grow out it by the time he's on Twitter.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

If he doesn't... You know what to do.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Send him forward in time to when there is no Twitter, only X.

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It's amazing how many people don't know what time is and think it's something that's kept track of on a man made calendar.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

It's only a surprising observation if you never thought about the not so distant past, when each town had its own time. Even now, if you spend a week or a month hiking or living off the grid out in nature, although your watch or cell phone might have a clock on it, you learn quite soon that what really matters is when the sun goes up and goes down.

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I thought the calendar was based on the event when Xenu exploded all of the body thetans on volcanoes with hydrogen bombs.

[-] burgermeister@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Jimmy is insane. Still waiting for his video on semen retention though.

TIL I don't have to involve religion with timekepeping. How have I not heard BCE and CE before (or more probably how did I forget hearing it)?

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

You have to study history at a university to see it for the most part. I’m talking into classes here. It’s probably getting out there now though.

[-] bigboismith@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago
[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Sniff for the smell of the subway. That is near the entrance and your freedom.

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm gonna take a migraine.

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