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Do any of them know what the word "liberal" actually means?

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[-] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago

You can tell this was made by a salty neo lib

[-] queue 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's really funny how no one really likes liberals but liberals.

Conservatives: "They're too freedom loving for my tastes! Why can't they just stay and home and be good corporate stooges like us?"

Auth-Communists: "They claim to like freedom but still willingly use the capitalist forces to oppress who they like. Liberals are okay with personal freedom until it impacts the white moderates. ~~That's our job!~~"

Anarchists: "It's literally weird to call yourself a liberal when all they do is oppose any movement against the status quo. If they can't convert them to sell away their soul to the state or capitalism, they're terrorists. They're more like conservatives than any actual progressives, and even progressives admit 100% capitalism isn't great."

Libertarian capitalists: "They claim to be for freedom but constantly require the state to check in on if people are enjoying their freedom like that Nanny's they never had. I just wanna grill for god's sake!"

Like it's just funny to me no matter where you are on the political spectrum, you have a somewhat decent reason to hate liberals (except conservatives are too stupid to tell liberals apart from "commies").

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 22 points 4 months ago

"My party is committing genocide and lost all of its credibility and ethos. Boo hoo."

At least they aren't using the word "progressive" anymore.

[-] Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one 61 points 4 months ago

Do you know what the word 'liberal' actually means

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It has 2 common definitions:

  1. Neo-liberal: a political approach that favors free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending
  2. Leftism in general.

You're almost never going to hear the right-wing use #1. Authoritarian communists will use #1 as a catch-all for modern capitalism.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 37 points 4 months ago

The US is such a right wing country that liberals are the mainstream left. In Europe, liberals are centrists and they aren't further to the right than American libs.

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[-] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago

It's extremely frustrating hearing this repeated so often here.

It's fine if this is the colloquial definition you're used to hearing and using, but this is certainly not the way it's used outside of American politics and pretending like it's the only use comes off as both ill-informed and condescending.

When used derisively from the left, rest assured it is not referring to either of your adopted generalizations but a very specific ideology.

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[-] FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

Open-minded, permissive, tolerant

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It means you support capitalism, hence why "liberalization of the economy" means selling off public utilities, land, housing, and resources.

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[-] Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one 30 points 4 months ago

Look rather than dunk on you, I'm going to recommend Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast, because it gives a fair overview of what the liberal revolutions were about, why socialism grew out of that moment, and how there came to be this irreconciliable beef between liberalism and socialism. The whole thing is great, but 1848 is the real crisis point if all you care about is the schism.

[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

For a more succinct answer:

It's obviously tongue-in-cheek, but it gets the point across lol

[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

A liberal believes capitalism is broken and needs to be fixed.

A socialist believes capitalism is working as intended and needs to be destroyed.

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[-] Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one 20 points 4 months ago

Liberals are, to quote Phil Ochs: "ten degrees to the left of center in the good times, ten degrees to the right of center when it affects them personally"

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm on the left, but I'm far from a communist, much less an authoritarian one, and I 100% use lib or liberal as an insult. I think to most people younger than 50, Liberal refers to a certain type of Democratic voter. They'll hang a BLM sign in their window but support NIMBY policies that keep people of color out of their neighborhoods. They'll talk a good game about labor rights and unions, but still go to Starbucks and throw a shit-fit if their order is wrong. They cared very deeply about Iraq and Guantanamo when Bush was President, but stopped bringing it up once Obama was in office.

The Third Way Democrats of the 90s basically turned American Liberals into Neo-Liberals. I will still support them when I have to, since they hold all the levers of power over the only ostensibly progressive party in America, and not siding with them at this point basically ensures the rise of fascism, but I have no love for Liberals.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago

don't usually agree on that much

Where have you been the last 8 years

[-] queue 34 points 4 months ago

Yeah Tankies/AuthComs are just such an odd mixture of accelerationists, "own the libs" and just general stupidity of "a strong man makes strong men" bullshit that they support any fascist if it means maybe someday they might not be on the chopping block.

If Tankies were an actual voting bloc they'd be somewhat impactful for the first time since maybe 1949. That would imply going outside however.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago

Yes, leftists absolutely know what the word "liberal" means. It refers to a pro-Capitalist ideology centered around the idea of individual freedoms via private property rights.

Leftists disagree that allowing private property creates a freer population, and understand that Liberalism is the dominant ideology in developed Capitalist nations.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago

Lmao check out all the salty libs seeing themselves get called out in these comments.

  • sincerely, an anarcho-syndicalist
[-] Baahb@feddit.nl 27 points 4 months ago

Pretty much. "Lol why don't you like libs?"

...cause we don't like things the way they are, and the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress. Maybe we are allowed relief from existing problems, but fuck you if you wanna fix em!

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 34 points 4 months ago
[-] egonallanon@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

I am the only true leftist. The rest of you are posers and/or feds.

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[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Software developers are staying silent on this one.

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[-] antifa@infosec.pub 33 points 4 months ago

They agree on a lot more than you'd think, once you parse out each cult's different groupspeak

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago

Lib bashing in left spaces is the mating cry of the tanky

It might be cathartic every so often, but too much makes the wrong people feel safe.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago

Liberals do not belong in left spaces, left is literally defined by anticapitalism.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago

Having a fight over who is or isn't allowed in left spaces instead of having the discussion about leftist policy is what got the left where it is in today's political discussion.

Defining a movement by who's not allowed in it leaves you without any ability to get anywhere legitimately.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago

There's no fight.

A space for people opposed to capitalism isn't gonna have people who are pro-capitalism.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 15 points 4 months ago

Liberals aren't left though. They are a centrist position by their very definition.

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[-] mino@lemmy.ml 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I 'am' an anarcho-communist and I don't like libtards. Libtards to me are 'progressive capitalists' that have no systemic insight what so ever and think all it takes to bring upon heaven on earth is to try and be nice.

I mean, you should try and be nice obviously but you are not going to soy latte your way outta this my dudes.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

I don’t like libtards.

You can just call them liberals. You don't need to meld the term to a slur.

I mean, you should try and be nice obviously

By shaving the first two letters off an r-bomb? Come on, guy. I get what you're saying, but this is an awful way to phrase it.

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[-] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 22 points 4 months ago

Friend I'm not a friend of liberals myself but can we please not use ableistic terms that end with "-tard"?

Reserve that shit for the right wing

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Republicans are also liberals. At least in the true sense of the word. So it's low-key funny when they use the term liberal as an insult.

I myself am not a liberal. Fiscally at least. Socially I'm a progressive.

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[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

I'd say they both agree on the main point of both philosophies "everyone has to follow every ridiculous rule I come up with except me"

[-] queue 23 points 4 months ago

Conservatives, fascists, and Auth-Communists just disagree on what color the flag should be, and the name of the party in charge handing out the police to dispatch onto the people.

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[-] vzq 25 points 4 months ago

Tell me you don’t hang out with anarchists without telling me…

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There's only one axis on the political spectrum, and everyone left of Biden (a rightwinger) is a tankie, isn't this obvious?

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[-] Hedlosa 16 points 4 months ago

Or marxists even lol

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[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

I will not stand for this anarchist erasure

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[-] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleed...

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[-] fcSolar@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Almost like AuthComs are authoritarian before they are communist, and thus have more in common with the American Fascist Party than any actual leftists.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

wait until you learn about fiscally liberal vs socially liberal.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I used to think it just was synonymous with the left, but I've recently been seeing a lot of comments on Lemmy saying liberals aren't leftist so now I am not sure if it means anything or if those Lemmings are just dumb.

I've grown up with the term "bleeding heart liberals" being applied to groups like Green Peace and hippies that promote love and unity by people who are just complete pieces of shit, and in that context I was always like "I guess I'm a liberal 🤷🏻‍♂️"

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[-] Baahb@feddit.nl 16 points 4 months ago

Op, are you in the US?

In the US, the choices for voting are Republican and Democrat.

Which of these parties is "liberal?"

The argument being made when non conservatives dislike liberals is when the liberals in question align with the Ds, because the Ds have every interest in pushing vaguely progressive policies during elections and never actually follow through in office.

Remember student loans? Still out there Remember universal healthcare? Still gotta pay for insurance Remember tax reform? Still paying higher rates than people who can't conceivably spend all of their money.

The primary goal of the Dems when in power is to maintain power. Fuck those guys. Not quite as hard as Republicans, but it stands.

Signed, Not a fucking tankie

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[-] vinyl@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

I use lib for shared objects.

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