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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 62 points 6 months ago

Same reason we use electricity despite not being 100% green energy and thus being even worse for the earth?

If you actually wanna guilt this question then the fuck are you doing using your coal and gas powered electricity to do it?

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, because the capitalists have seen to it that you will never be permitted to make an ethical choice that would dare compete with what they expect you to choose.

Being a moralizing prick doesn't send any message, what gets people to change is making that change easy, that's why instead of being terminally online fuckwads, british vegangelists spread the good news by hosting free kitchens, volunteering to take people grocery shopping on their own pound, teaching vegan cooking classes, and all other sorts of actually addressing literally any of the actual concerns people have about going vegan instead of being a condescending snob about it.

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[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 55 points 6 months ago

Why do people eat food they know isn't good for their health? Why do people continue to buy products from companies that have proven to only sell bad products or engage in scumbag practices?

They all have the same answer.

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[-] thezeesystem@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

The real question is, why should we try to not eat beef for the environment, when corporations make 90% of all pollution in the world.

Maybe focus on the 90% of the problem and not the individual people who but meat?

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No corporation pollutes except to produce goods or services for human consumption, or for other businesses that provide goods or services for human consumption.

Every gallon of gas burned is to power a vehicle to move you, or the goods you purchase.

Every natural gas line leads to a house, of a business that sells things to houses.

Theres no such thing as a corporation without consumers, we are where the buck is created, and where the buck stops.

[-] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Ah, yes, the ol' victim blame schtick. GTFO with that juvenile shit. This isn't some timeless chicken/egg quandary, son.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago

The reason why the top polluters in the world are oil and gas companies is because you buy oil and gas directly to drive your car or heat your house, or you buy electricity generated by oil and gas. The metals in your vehicle? Mining companies pollution. The food on your plate? Agricultural companies polluting. Even the shirt on your back burned bunker fuel to get from Bangladesh to your house.

If you think you aren't directly responsible for corporate pollution, you're a fucking moron.

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

There is no ethical consumption in capitalism.

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Nah, you just don't give a shit to believe you have any control over reality.

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[-] pugsnroses77@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 months ago

the beef industry wouldnt be razing down the amazon forest if no one was buying and eating it, would they?

[-] oo1@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago

I think your argument works if someone is stealing the beef.

If they are buying it then that is directly funding that "90%".

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The thing about individual action is that if it works, it all adds up. But if people all blame the corporations, individual action makes no dent in the over 50% of emissions that individuals help make; a self-fulfilling prophecy. And yes, over 50%. Politifact goes into detail about how most emission indeed comes from consumption instead of corporate production.

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[-] Zorque@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago

Because corporations make things based on the demand of those individual people. They don't exist in a vacuum. And they're not going to change because someone on the internet rants about them. Their only incentive is profit

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[-] thesink05@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago

Not everyone has the time and resources to commit to every 'good' fight under the sun especially when the systemic problems are as deeply rooted in our society as they are.

Which device did you post from? Did you vet it wasn't made with slave labor? You might need to go recycle all your devices and unfortunately that will cut you off from getting your message out to the world.

Your post does more harm to your cause than good because it just makes everyone angry at you.

[-] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 12 points 6 months ago

Stop eating meat, it's easy, you change your diet and are healthier.

Honestly stop saying "Your post does more harm to your cause than good because it just makes everyone angry at you"

It's a tired and worn out excuse to avoid saying "I'm lazy and selfish"

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[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago

This rage bait question could be reworded as...

Why do people consume when we know it's bad for the earth.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

I think it's valid that he chose the #1 food source problem to talk about first. Once we fix that, let's discuss #2.

[-] DBT@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

Because it’s a damn good source of creatine and protein. And it tastes good.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 17 points 6 months ago

In other words, humans are assholes

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago

Yeah but so are preachy vegetablists

Each to their own and all that

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

Yup. Each one of us, for some reason or another. Welcome to the club, asshole ❤️

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[-] speck@kbin.social 35 points 6 months ago

How about we shift to talking about portion control and be less all or nothing?

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[-] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Where I live the beef is local and cheap. I'm not able to obtain enough protein without meat, as confirmed by a doctor and a nutritionist when I tried to go vegetarian. With food costs so high it's cheaper to buy cow than anything else, but when I have the money I opt for fish or turkey. I looked into hunting but it's prohibitively expensive for me with permits, tags, guns, licenses, days off and transportation. I tried fishing for myself as well, but whenever I get time to do it, there are warnings about eating fish in the area. When there aren't I never catch anything big enough to legally be allowed to keep. I'd like to get chickens if/when local government ever lifts the bylaws preventing it.

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[-] JesterIzDead@lemm.ee 26 points 6 months ago

The average human has much more of a negative effect on the environment than a cow. So, shouldn’t the question be why we tolerate so many people?

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[-] Species8472@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Because it tastes great and it's today, and not tomorrow.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 24 points 6 months ago

It tastes good and I’m a carnivore.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 6 months ago

omnivore, but i agree

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 21 points 6 months ago

Because not everyone agrees that it's terrible for Earth. And even some of those that do may not consider it so terrible for Earth that it's not worth the tastiness.

You're wasting electricity running a computer right now, when we know that electricity generation is terrible for Earth. Why are you doing that?

[-] crt0o@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why is killing people wrong, but ok in war? Why do we still kill animals even though we know it's wrong? Why is killing wrong in the first place? I bet you can't find a single rational reason. That is because ethics isn't based on reason, but instead on emotion. Given that, I don't find it very surprising that it's often very hypocritical.

[-] YaBoyMax@programming.dev 13 points 6 months ago

Ethics may not be fully objective, but claiming that they're fully based on emotion is a ridiculous thing to say. You can make ethical arguments based in reason. Pointing to the war and saying "see, ethics aren't real" is an incredibly naïve conclusion to draw.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

It’s ingrained into our capitalistic culture. Fast food ads every 20 minutes on tv. Grilling on weekends. Tailgating. A WackDonald’s on every corner. Not to mention big Dairy.

[-] GuitarAbuser@sopuli.xyz 15 points 6 months ago

Because most of the people eat the same kind of food their parents have been eating.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago

This might not be a "stupid" question, but it sure is a loaded and leading one that for sure isn't in good faith. Welcome to my block list, enjoy your stay.

[-] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 12 points 6 months ago

Because people are selfish, stuck in their ways, and speciesist. Some are also ignorant

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago

Along with the other answers:

Because cooked cowflesh smells delicious, and there are companies out there that are willing to capitalize on that.

The bigger question is: why do people still drink cows milk? And the answer to that one is all about politics and power.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago

Honestly, I like the taste of cow's milk. I drink it because I enjoy it. I'm also a sucker for chocolate and milk.

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[-] johnlobo@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

because not every country produce beef like you westerner. and not everyone eat beef everyday.

go make your government ban beef like you ban palm oil if you really care about earth.

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[-] LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago

I did try to reduce the impact of what I eat, but I haven't found a replacement for using chicken with a slow cooker. Beef also tastes good, especially when I eat at a restaurant.

I have stopped making hamburgers on my own (and replaced them with fish or soup), but I haven't put more effort into reducing my impact recently.

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[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

1 the amount of beef I eat is not a major contributer to the problem. No matter how hard I try. The actual major contributors what to distract people by telling them that they can make the difference. They can't. 2 I don't like plants... 3 the way the grow plants for food is also terrible for earth

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago

The major contributors only sell what people buy. They won't stop so long as there's money to be made. And most plants grown for food go to feed animals.

You don't like plants because you're a big baby.

So yeah, your arguments suck.

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[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

You really triggered some folks 🤣

[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Good, discussion has gotten stale as fuck on the internet. I don't want to see Lemmy become some censored smooth brained shit pool like Reddit.

[-] Asclepiaz@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago
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