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[-] meleecrits@lemmy.world 84 points 6 months ago

Keep in mind, under the U.S. House's new bill, criticizing this counts as antisemitism.

[-] card797@champserver.net 42 points 6 months ago

Shit is irrelevant. The House leadership is fucking corrupt and stupid.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 41 points 6 months ago

This. Also that bill is unconstitutional

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Until a 5-4 Supreme Court decision decides it's ok actually.

Actually this being Israel it'll be a 7-2

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 months ago

The constitution is toilet paper for the ruling class.

They'll do whatever they want, whenever they want.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 16 points 6 months ago

It is. But that won’t stop charges, fines, and jail for hundreds or thousands until someone rich enough to take it to the right court gets charged.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

Nah, I doubt it will pass the senate and even if it does, hate speech is legal in the United States so if they are equating critiquing Israeli government with kkk and nazi propaganda I’m ok with that I guess.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 6 points 6 months ago

Legal and constitutional are different things. Hate speech is, in fact, illegal in many places. But the test that would apply for constitutional muster seems to be clear and present danger. Criticizing a government would not likely clear that bar.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

So is the massive.surveillance programs taking place for decades now. Oh and all those wars without Congressional approval.

[-] OniiFam 1 points 5 months ago

im still waiting for the explanation. I know you have never read a bill in your entire god damned life and never had an original thought in the entire time of what you can loosely call "consciousness" and clearly don't care if anything you say is true, but still im waiting.,

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Will you say that again when it passes the senate?

[-] card797@champserver.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes. They are not going to regulate my speech. Live free or die!

Edit: only online forum moderators can do that!

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Are you lying for exaggeration purposes or something else?

Edit: how many pissed off downvoters read the bill? How about even a summary of it?

[-] meleecrits@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

The bill, titled the Antisemitism Awareness Act, would mandate that the Education Department adopt the broad definition of antisemitism used by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an intergovernmental group, to enforce anti-discrimination laws.

Further down:

The letter pointed in part to an example of antisemitism included in the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition, which says antisemitism could include "denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor."

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You seem to think this somehow proves criticizing a mass murder is anti semitic?

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

It says it right there

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Almost all American politicians think this.

[-] OniiFam 1 points 5 months ago

RESPOND YOU COWARD

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

I downvoted you because you said it was a lie but didn't specify what the lie or truth was.

[-] OniiFam 1 points 5 months ago

Upvote him then because meleecrits is just bullshitting and making up shit having never read a single article in their lives because they are pathetic waste of air. I asked them multiple times and even provided the ENTIRE bill text for them to point where it would be illegal but they dont respond because they are subshuman filth that has never once thought a single original thought in their life

[-] OniiFam 1 points 6 months ago

Can you point that out for me?

Here, I even did you the favor to copy the ENTIRE text of the bill for you: AN ACT To provide for the consideration of a definition of antisemitism set forth by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance for the enforcement of Federal antidiscrimination laws concerning education programs or activities, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023”.

SEC. 2. SENSE OF CONGRESS.

It is the sense of Congress that—

(1) title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.), prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving Federal financial assistance;

(2) while such title does not cover discrimination based solely on religion, individuals who face discrimination based on actual or perceived shared ancestry or ethnic characteristics do not lose protection under such title for also being members of a group that share a common religion;

(3) discrimination against Jews may give rise to a violation of such title when the discrimination is based on race, color, or national origin, which can include discrimination based on actual or perceived shared ancestry or ethnic characteristics;

(4) it is the policy of the United States to enforce such title against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in antisemitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by such title; and

(5) as noted in the U.S. National Strategy to Counter Antisemitism issued by the White House on May 25, 2023, it is critical to—

(A) increase awareness and understanding of antisemitism, including its threat to America;

(B) improve safety and security for Jewish communities;

(C) reverse the normalization of antisemitism and counter antisemitic discrimination; and

(D) expand communication and collaboration between communities.

SEC. 3. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) Antisemitism is on the rise in the United States and is impacting Jewish students in K–12 schools, colleges, and universities.

(2) The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (referred to in this Act as the “IHRA”) Working Definition of Antisemitism is a vital tool which helps individuals understand and identify the various manifestations of antisemitism.

(3) On December 11, 2019, Executive Order 13899 extended protections against discrimination under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to individuals subjected to antisemitism on college and university campuses and tasked Federal agencies to consider the IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism when enforcing title VI of such Act.

(4) Since 2018, the Department of Education has used the IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism when investigating violations of that title VI.

(5) The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism.

(6) The White House released the first-ever United States National Strategy to Counter Antisemitism on May 25, 2023, making clear that the fight against this hate is a national, bipartisan priority that must be successfully conducted through a whole-of-government-and-society approach.s the definition of antisemitism adopted on May 26, 20

SEC. 4. DEFINITIONS.

For purposes of this Act, the term “definition of antisemitism”—

(1) mean16, by the IHRA, of which the United States is a member, which definition has been adopted by the Department of State; and

(2) includes the “[c]ontemporary examples of antisemitism” identified in the IHRA definition.

SEC. 5. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

In reviewing, investigating, or deciding whether there has been a violation of title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.) on the basis of race, color, or national origin, based on an individual’s actual or perceived shared Jewish ancestry or Jewish ethnic characteristics, the Department of Education shall take into consideration the definition of antisemitism as part of the Department’s assessment of whether the practice was motivated by antisemitic intent.

SEC. 6. OTHER RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.

(a) General Rule Of Construction.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed—

(1) to expand the authority of the Secretary of Education;

(2) to alter the standards pursuant to which the Department of Education makes a determination that harassing conduct amounts to actionable discrimination; or

(3) to diminish or infringe upon the rights protected under any other provision of law that is in effect as of the date of enactment of this Act.

(b) Constitutional Protections.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Passed the House of Representatives May 1, 2024.

[-] OniiFam 1 points 6 months ago

I'm still waiting for you to point on it in the bill

[-] OniiFam 1 points 5 months ago

I still wait

[-] OniiFam 1 points 5 months ago

IM STILL WAITING YOU LIAR

[-] filister@lemmy.world 76 points 6 months ago

If something like this happens to my kid I sure as hell will radicalize. I wonder if Israel managed to kill more terrorists that they gave birth to, and call me sceptical but I think they did not.

[-] FrostyTrichs@sh.itjust.works 52 points 6 months ago

I doubt the Israeli government is going to lose any sleep over murdering more innocent people. It's disgusting.

[-] ConfusedPossum@kbin.social 40 points 6 months ago

They're fucking monsters. It seems like radicalizing the Palestinians is the point, so they don't have to talk to them

[-] FrostyTrichs@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 months ago

Radicalized Palestine is "justification" to continue the genocide. Self fulfilling prophecy for Israel.

[-] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 17 points 6 months ago

Lose some sleep ? They probably having a hard-on over it

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 months ago

Netanyahu and the right need more terrorists in order to justify further land grabs, so yes, that's the goal.

Radicalize more people, so that those people strike back, then engage in war and take their land.

And yes, this is also how the Europeans and Americans took land from the natives during colonization.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago

Any Zionists/supporters of Israel please feel free to explain how this is in any way acceptable

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

October 7th or something

Remember that widely-spread narrative that it was a music festival for peace in Gaza? lol

[-] Hammocks4All@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

“dO sTuPiD tHiNgS, WiN sTuPiD PriZeS”

Such a warmonger response.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it will be one of:

  • There were Hamas on the playground
  • There was a Hamas Tunnel under the playground.

There are only ever 3 claims in the hasbara toolkit - it's Hamas, it's a Hamas Tunnel, it's a Hamas Supporter - but they reserve the latter for people who criticise the actions of Israel.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This question is intentionally baiting people to get banned. You know how this instance is moderated.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Not at all! I'm not even sure what you mean about the moderation.

Honestly I just know there are such people on Lemmy and their explanation for stuff like this is interesting to me. I don't even want them to be banned in general, I can just downvote and move on.

I got an answer, though. So far "it's crazy to think Israel would do that on purpose, there are many possible explanations" and yet the facts still stand and no adequate explanation of the facts seems like it could be acceptable

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Zionism is a settler-colonialist ideology dedicated to the eviction and genocide of the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. We don't allow them or their defenders a platform here, so you'll have to go to reddit if you want to see people defending their atrocities.

[-] OniiFam 1 points 6 months ago

Sure. We don't know if it actually was Israel. Mind you that these "experts" blamed Israel for the Ahli Arab hospital bombing on the same level of evidence and for weeks the news reported it as an Israeli strike that killed hundreds of people despite it being a obvious lie even at the time. The ONLY reason why it eventually was accepted as not Israeli strike, something that Palestinians still to this day say Israel did despite the insurmountable evidence in the contrary, was because the sheer insane level of evidence in both live videos, geolocations, etc.

Id caution against knowing who did this strike so soon. Especially when there is no insane evidence outside "This is consistent with Israeli strikes" which is the exact same level of evidence experts blamed the Ahli Arab strike with.

[-] applepie@kbin.social 25 points 6 months ago

Commenters here clearly didn't study WW2 enough to understand why Israel has legal and moral right to ethnically cleanse the holy land!

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago
[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 10 points 6 months ago

This is utterly disgusting.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Let me guess, buying cake is a crime now too, punishable by death even?

What a bunch of party poopers. Genocidal ones at that.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Where can i find videos from inside gaza showing the strikes or aftermath?

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago
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