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[-] tetranomos@awful.systems 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

as a black person i'm worried that donald trump's batting average isn't showing the potential it should be this season. he should spend more time in the cages.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago

We’re not. Biden is.

If he actually was worried he’d look at the polls and call for a ceasefire.

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[-] digital_alchemist@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 6 months ago

Balance:

a) damage done by another Trump presidency

vs

b) damage done by demonstrating to the ruling class that you'll give them whatever they want so long as you genuinely fear one of the candidates

Tough call. I wish each and every one of you who has a say in this clairvoyance beyond mine.

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The fact you phrase it as though that's an actual question is terrifying. You're comparing someone who wants to LITERALLY be a dictator and never have an election again, to someone who isn't willing to fully embrace every last left-wing policy you demand.

The "ruling class" didn't dictate Bernie not getting the Democratic nomination, people voting in primaries did. Do you know which group of people overwhelmingly don't vote in primaries? The same 20-somethings bitching about Biden being the "only other option". Get the fuck out of here with your "demonstrating to the ruling class" - you had your opportunity to show up and overwhelm the primaries and chose not to. The "ruling class" don't have the numbers to determine a primary, and if you choose to watch their commercials and buy into it, that's on you. But hey, if a bunch of people think like you'll they'll find out what actually living in a dictatorship is like. And no, Canada isn't just going to welcome you with open arms when the world starts burning down around you so I hope you've got an exit strategy.

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[-] calabast@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

My early-20's cousin-in-law the other day said something like "I don't want to vote for Biden or Trump, they're both the same". He's getting locked up for killing me, because I died when I heard him say that. (I went on to explain to him that they are NOT the same.)

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

I've come to the conclusion from this thread and others that liberals either don't believe or can't comprehend that leftists consider Palestinians to be actual human beings whose lives are inherently valuable. The way they see it, we're whiny children throwing a fit because we were refused a puppy. I keep seeing people talk about opposition to genocide as "an individual want" or "being upset that you got bread instead of a cake," and so on, characterizing us as selfishly prioritizing our individual preferences, because in their minds it's just about us feeling bad when we see dying Palestinians, and not about the Palestinians themselves.

Opposition to genocide is a hard red line and a fundamental moral principle. It's not a want, it's not a preference, it is a demand which is absolutely non-negotiable.

I'm never going to be convinced to vote for Biden, but if you actually care about convincing leftists, then you're shooting yourself in the foot by trivializing the issue. Of course, the most effective way to convince an opponent of genocide to support a politician would be to get the politician to stop supporting genocide, but if you choose to focus you efforts on getting leftists to stop opposing genocide instead, I can't stop you.

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