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[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 135 points 6 months ago

You actually have to be a dumb cunt to hate Skyler, I remember hating her when I first watched BB, because she was the bitch wife messimg with badass Walter, now that I rewatched it as I am older and damn, walter is a proper cunt the whole way through and she is trying navigate a really fucked up situation, I just felt bad for her the whole way through

[-] Kedly@lemm.ee 44 points 6 months ago

Nah man, I hated Walter from the get go and still hated Skylar. Basically the only characters I liked ended up in Better Call Saul, outside of Hank and Jessie

[-] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

Hank was a douchebag, and it took Jesse a good while to become somewhat of a decent person.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

Yeah, she fucks up but like damn give a girl a break her husband got cancer and keeps lying about where he is and what he’s doing.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago

Her husband becomes a psychopathic mass murderer and drug manufacturer

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but most people start hating her in season 1/2 where she’s kinda a bitch or when she cheats.

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[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

you dont have to be a dumb cunt to hate skyler, she is there to disrupt the part of the show that is the most fun to see (walt's rise to kingpin)

like no shit people are going to hate that

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[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 66 points 6 months ago

I never hated Skylar, but I get why she's in the meme. Anna Gunn does severe so damn well.

I also don't mind Dolores Umbridge's actress because I hated her in the book far, far more.

Jack Gleeson should come back and give it a shot again. And I can't tell who the other one is.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 45 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Jeffery Dean Morgan as Neegan (sp) in The Walking Dead.

I think his role as the Comedian in The Watchmen was more hatable, at least the character was pretty awful in a grounded way instead of the silly over the top Walking Dead kind of way.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That character was so well done (The Comedian, I don't remember Walking Dead well enough). He's more tragedy than contemptable depending on your sympathies, but that was kinda' the point. It's almost the point of ANY "good" bad character. Give them motivations that are understandable by non-psychos, just make the character make poor (poor, not stupid) or mean decisions.

... and his acting helped round out the character instead of flatten. He genuinely seemed like a good guy that got insanely jaded and went off the deep instead of just a bad guy.

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[-] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

Skylar wasn't even evil or anything. Just a normal good person. Walter was an absolute piece of shit who chose to reject legitimate help and support, and instead do illegal villainous things.

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

But that's also the mark of a well written show, when you're compelled to take the side of a man making the wrong choices, to walk that line with him. And then be yanked the fuck back by the writers at the end.

"I did it for me. I did it because I was good at it."

Masterful.

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 64 points 6 months ago

People that hate Skylar are idiots. If they hate the actress, they're even worse.

[-] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Being hateable doesn't mean you're wrong. Obviously Skyler was acting in her family's best interest and walt was a psycho POS but she played such an unlikeable character.

There are plenty of likeable "evil" characters and plenty of unlikeable "good" ones. People act like if you hate Skyler you somehow don't get the show, but no, I understand her character just fine, it's just that she's insufferable about everything.

Regardless, hating the actress for the character is smooth brain shit

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[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Nah, that lacks nuance. People who hate Skylar for just crushing Walt's vibe or being unlikeable are idiots. I have watched the show in its entirety three times, and my opinion on all the characters has evolved - my opinion of Skylar is more negative than it used to be. If you believe that Skylar is just a victim, you are denying her character agency. She is highly intelligent and capable and simultaneously intends to benefit from Walt's actions while being arrogant enough to assume she can control the situation, outsmart the authorities, and get off scott free - much like another main character.

Skylar made certain choices to support Walt because she thought it was in the family's best interest (including hers), then she later reneged on those choices when things didn't turn out like she expected and ultimately forced Walt to take the blame for choices she willingly made. Skylar is as relatable and flawed as she is unlikeable: just like we would in her circumstances, she lacks the courage to do what is necessary to stop Walt and protect herself and her family.

She did not have to support Walt in the first place but instead did so even when given many opportunities to get out of the situation with minimal consequences. She may have paid a price for doing so as time went on (asset seizure if she went to the cops, social ostracization, her kids disliking her, etc), but the consequences were initially fairly trivial - divorce from a criminal who was putting the family at risk, embarrassment, harming her relationship with Marie, etc. And, while Walt obviously was callous/cruel/self-righteous/arrogant/and even evil, maybe - as was the point of his whole character, Skylar chose to support Walt in his criminal enterprise when she didn't have to - going so far as to come up with money laundering ideas, encouraging him to expand his operations to an extent early on, helping him come up with cover stories, etc. and only later turning on Walt when she felt like she could no longer benefit from assisting him and would benefit more by betraying him - going so far as to physically assault him with a knife and threaten to kill him, lying to the police about his treatment of the family and also giving them his location which put his life in further jeopardy while he was trying to get the family to safety since he was being pursued.

In fact, Walt saw a way to use Skylar's betrayal to protect the family and takes the blame for Skylar's actions, goes along with Skylar's lie that he was physically assaulting the family, threatening them with death if they didn't comply, etc. all to take the heat off Skylar for the sake of the family. That doesn't mean Walt is a saint. He should've stopped long before that and did many things that put the family in danger. But, his taking the blame for Skylar's part in the operation shows that she did have a real part in it - he had to lie to say he forced her to be a part of the operation to put her in a better light and get her off the hook.

When Skylar initially began to support Walt, she was not under significant duress. There was a significant degree of duress later, with Walt acting intimidating, Meth Damon coming to "talk" to her at her house, etc. But you could say that just like the situation got away from Walt and was out of control, the same happened for Skylar. She thought she could control things and continue to benefit from Walt's operation to provide a better life for the family. Then, when things got out of control, she flipped on Walt. The difference between Walt and Skylar is that Skylar got dragged into the situation by Walt, but remember, he really did try to keep her out of it. At a certain point, she chose to insert herself into it rather than leave the situation.

People dislike Skylar because she lacks courage. Courage to get out early when she had the chance, courage to report Walt to the police despite having many allies to help her and numerous opportunities, courage to stick to her moral convictions about what Walt was doing, courage to ensure her family's safety before doing things that jeopardized her chances of full custody, courage to tell her kids the truth about Walt, or alternatively courage to stick with Walt since she had committed to doing so and was (at first) a willing accomplice. But, most importantly, the courage to face the consequences for her part in the whole ordeal - except at the very end when it was already too late. She lacks courage and is self-interested, wanting to benefit from Walt's dealings while bearing none of the risk or responsibility for her part in them.

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[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Yeah I'm pretty convinced that people who hate Skylar missed the point of the show. Skylar acted like a normal person would.

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[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 6 months ago

David Tennant's performance in Jessica Jones stuck with me for a while. It took a while for me not to assume his characters would be evil after that, and I was already familiar with his run as The Doctor.

[-] experbia@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

his role in JJ made me realize what a damn good actor he is. I love his evil roles! he played petulant psychopath so well.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 months ago

Funnily enough, he's also a good psychopath in Harry Potter, but he hardly has any screen time. He has impressive range of being able to easily portray the most good characters and the most vile.

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[-] dumbass@leminal.space 41 points 6 months ago

Louise Fletcher is the Goat of making you utterly despise them.

Nurse Ratched.

Kai Winn..

I just ruined a whole bunch of people's days with 2 names.

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[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The girl who tried to seduce Jim on The Office has said she gets a ton of hate IRL.

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[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

It's such a trash take to put Skylar on this list. She reacted reasonably, understandably and went way above what could be expected to protect Walter.

To hate Sky is to misunderstand the entries show.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Misunderstanding an entire show seems to be more common than understanding it.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

The dude who played Anakin in The Phantom Menace

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Jake Lloyd. His performance just makes me hate George Lucas more.

I do let that hate flow through me!

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

We weren't supposed to hate Anakin, though.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Let the hate flow through you

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[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

Skylar being in this group is low-key insane. She cheated on her narcissistic drug dealing murderous husband. The rest of these folks are murderers or magical torturers.

[-] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I didn't even dislike Skyler because of her personality or the things she did, she was a great character, well written and acted. I didn't like the time spent on her b-plot when there were so many much more interesting things going on (in my opinion).

I didn't dislike her at all at first, because I didn't start watching the show until season 4 was airing. While I was binging the first few seasons if a Skyler heavy episode came on when I was super keen to know what was going on with Gus, or whatever, I'd just continue watching the next episode.

But once I got to the point where I was waiting all week for an episode, looking forward to seeing what happens with the cartels, cops, etc., that was when I found myself thinking "fuck, it's a God damned Skyler episode."

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[-] thenewred@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago
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[-] galoisghost@aussie.zone 22 points 6 months ago

I hated Laura Linney for her portrayal of Meryl in The Truman Show

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 20 points 6 months ago

People need to get some emotional intelligence.

[-] teslasaur@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Cersei Lannister - Lena Heady must get just as much of random hate from people as Jack Gleeson does.

Vincent D'Onofrio probably gets a lot of weird interactions from people that saw him in daredevil or Full metal jacket too.

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[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 16 points 6 months ago

Hey,

Thank for posting here! Just a warning that you might get downvoted, we usually don't have that much memes in this community, we'll see how the members receive it.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

The members have spoken

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[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Every one of these actors deserves awards. I would shake any of their hands and thank them.

I hate the characters, (except Skylar, she's just a flawed person dealing with fucked up shit.)

I deeply appreciate the skill the actors used to bring up such strong emotions within me.

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[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

There's an old story about Margaret Hamilton (the actress who played the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz) being slapped by a woman on the street for "being mean to Dorothy". Don't know if it's true though

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[-] brianstorms@mastodon.social 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

@01010101011

Hart Bochner because of his character Harry Ellis in DIE HARD.

Paul Reiser because of his character Carter Burke in ALIENS.

Obnoxious douchebag characters were definitely a thing in 80s #movies.

[-] orbitz@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago

I just scrolled quickly and didn't see it but the guy who played Peck ( William Atherton) in Ghostbusters the first one. Evidently he was not well received after the movie, least for awhile. He was a great at playing asshole characters in the 80s.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Negan raised some pretty badass kids though. They stopped Armageddon!

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That fuck head in Spartacus. Fucking Ashur. I hated his name so much I can't hear that name without getting mad.

Yes I will still watch this if it ever gets made.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/starz-spartacus-house-of-ashur-steven-s-deknight-nick-tarabay-1235598823/#

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