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Malaysia halts music festival after same-sex kiss by UK band The 1975 (www.reuters.com)
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[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 148 points 1 year ago

"Matt Healy undoubtedly just made it worse for queer Malaysians who actually live here, and have to face the consequences because we all know our politicians are gonna use this to further their agenda," Carmen Rose, a Malaysian drag queen and performer, said on Twitter.

No, he didn't make it worse. The government is making it worse

[-] Larvitar@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

Yeah I don't understand why that drag queen had to resort to victim blaming.

[-] NIB@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Because keeping a low profile is how they can manage to survive in a homophobic society. Everyone is grandstanding while living in liberal western societies, ignoring how hard things are for less fortunate people.

[-] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 34 points 1 year ago

It's not like things are sunshines and roses for gay people in liberal western societies. Pride parades started in the US from a riot when they couldn't take it anymore. The UK chemically castrated Alan Turing. Hiding is a good way for the individual to survive, but to forward progress for the group in the future, attention needs to be brought to these issues.

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Attention is only beneficial when you have the correct political conditions to do it. Drawing attention at the wrong time gets you cracked down upon or worse, killed.

An absolutist position on this is how western liberals continually contribute to worsening matters for lgbt people in the global south. Stick to your fucking lane and let people from that country handle their local issues, they understand the local culture and the conditions better than you do.

[-] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

As someone who lives in SE Asia, I agree. The west have no idea, they think they know it all, judging everybody from that ivory tower they call moral high ground.

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It's such a difficult topic. As an lgbt person I want the lgbt people in those countries leading the strategy to get change. Not a bunch of people that want to do regime change for the sake of US interests while weaponising marginalised peoples as a tool to create consent for it among the US home population.

All this does is make people in the global south see lgbt issues as a tool of US oppression. It actively harms efforts of local lgbt people in achieving the necessary cultural change in views because people see it as necessary to oppose it in order to protect their economic interests from becoming a US colony or vassal.

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As if events like Stonewall never happened in the west. How did those western societies became liberal? Because people fought back, blood has been spilled to reach where those societies are now. Unfortunately keeping a low profile will not progress society and will keep the community at risk. Jews kept a low profile in Europe for centuries and then were exterminated.

[-] NIB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Change takes time, decades, often centuries. You are asking a society that has norms similar to 100years ago in Europe to accelerate to where the West currently is. I dont think you understand how slow things improved for lgbtq in the West and how recent that change is.

Despite things not being perfect, lgbtq acceptance is 50%+ in most western countries. That means it usually isnt socially acceptable to go against lgbtq, neither for the people, nor for the politicians.

Now imagine a society whose people oppose lgbtq by 95%. Who is going to stick their neck out? Their neck will simply be chopped off. Change will take time. Slowly those lgbtq people will make lgbtq acceptable within their inner circle and then their inner circle will make lgbtq acceptable in a wider but small part of society(ie liberals) and that small part of society will slowly be able to make lgbtq acceptable as a societal norm by "converting" more and more people.

The structure does not exist in these societies for lgbtq people to fight for their rights. Their best hope is that their inner circle can accept them and they can live a normal life while keeping a low profile, they are still at stage 1.

Or to put it in a different perspective, what will happen to you if you go to a plaza in Pyongyang and demand democracy/human rights? Do you think that would be smart? Or productive? You will just get arrested and be sent to a prison camp. And it is even worse with lgbtq rights, because a lot of north koreans can get on board with democracy and human rights but in these societies, 95% of the people are actively against lgbtq.

PS I am not interested in debating about homosexuality in 1920s Germany or whatever because that is a niche that completely ignores actual societal historical facts.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In 1988, only 10% of Americans supported gay marriage. Change is slow, until it's not.

And even if you're afraid to push for change, someone else will find the courage.

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[-] ForgetReddit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Surprised Carmen Rose is able to tweet while licking authoritarian bigoted boots at the same time, impressive. They’d be stoked if Nazis came back I’m sure, they have some great boots.

[-] PatientExpired@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Malaysian here 👋🏻

Honestly we have been having such a hard time getting international acts to the country (we have religious radicals that ate strongly opposing these shows).

It was only recently with a tough government swap that things are starting to get better - things were starting to open up.

Less than half a year since things got better, this clown decided to run his mouth, insulting the government and fueling these religious radicals with more reasons shows should be banned.

Honestly, good fcking job, 2 steps forward, 1 step back. You fcked us all.

[-] ForgetReddit@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Two steps forward, one step back, so it’s a step forward, yet he “fucked you all”?

If one side is a bigoted regime and the other side is speaking out against them, and you’re against the side speaking out against them, what does that make you?

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Maybe listen to people from the actual country that understand the political conditions? They know what is useful and what is not in their current situation better than you do.

This isn't a game where shouting for one side the loudest and most often magically wins, unlike americans like to believe. Doing so at the wrong time gets you cracked down upon, or worse it gets lgbt people killed.

People from the west go to these countries and make these statements completely oblivious to the fact that they're harming the local efforts of lgbt activists within the country who are acting more strategically with a better understanding of what will and will not advance their position in the current climate they have.

[-] Here_in_Malaysia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm just dreading what the old bags in Parliament are gonna follow this up with. I hope they're too lazy to do anything. Just this once.

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[-] wahming@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Malaysian here.

The clowns are the ones in our government. Just slightly less clownish than the previous govt, that's all

[-] timicin@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

history has proven that there is nothing you can do to please religious radicals and cow-towing to their demands will only backfire for you.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Maybe you guys shouldn't invite queer performers if you've got so many problems with them?

[-] Here_in_Malaysia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

People from the west don't understand how much more different bringing progressive thought to SEA is. Nobody here really cares about listening to the people who are actually affected. You can't burst in with freedom flags. We don't have that kind of freedom of speech. Don't provoke them into taking my freedom away.

Here's hoping the gov forgets this and moves on instead of putting down any dangerous laws.

[-] Here_in_Malaysia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I wanted to reply to you but the thread is hidden. I just wanted to say that I had hopes that the smaller audience could detect nuance but clearly Lemmy people are as arrogant as Reddit.

Thanks 1975 for bringing to light that Malaysia should be ashamed about being backwards. But a lot of people will suddenly feel they need to vote Malay-first parties when they didn't before, because politics literally forgot LGBTQ+ exists. Malays-first parties is like Whites-first groups, to you who look at us like we're minority creatures squabbling over words.

I hope the government continues eating nasi lemak and sleeping during parliament. Their laziness will be very useful here. Although it would be nice if one of them says something like "People are people". 1 Malaysia should include LGBTQ+. Here's hoping, anyway.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Sounds like another country I can add to the “do not visit do not support” list.

[-] win98se@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago

As a Malaysian, please do. I am ashamed by my own government.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

i've added so many to that list that i no longer want to travel abroad.

[-] icerunner@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

The 1975 be like

Alternative text: Meme image from the movie Zoolander, "You know what we have to do now? Kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia."

[-] zerosquare1012@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

typical white people thinking they’re the world saviour

[-] JTode@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I think the people at the festival are mostly going to remember that their government is a buzzkill.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Why shouldn't they protest bigotry? They have a platform to do it from. Some random gay couple kissing in Malaysia is a lot less impactful.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree but would like to add that on the other side we have typical homophobes thinking they can force their ideas on everyone else and oppress individual freedom.

[-] thedoodlenoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'd say that's pretty on brand for Matty.

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